They want her gone but........"The Bystander Effect"

silverfaun
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When Bob Carr challenged Julia Gillard's authority to decide how Australia would cast its vote in the United Nations last November, it was a moment of potential crisis for her prime ministership.


 


She took advice from her inner circle. Some saw the danger and advised her to accept a compromise. But Stephen Conroy urged her to fight on. It would have been a big mistake.


 


Ultimately, the Prime Minister rejected Conroy's advice, compromised on her support for Israel in the UN, and lived to fight another day. If she had accepted his advice, she would have had her policy overturned in the Labor caucus, been humiliated, and quite likely lost her leadership as a result.


 


This week, Gillard accepted Conroy's advice on another matter - media regulation. It was a big mistake.


In the case of the UN vote, the question was whether to give Palestinians observer status in the UN. Gillard wanted Australia to stand with Israel, the US and a handful of others in voting ''no.'' Most countries were ready to vote ''yes''.


Carr wanted Australia to abstain. As he told Gillard in her office at the time, ''I would find it very hard to vote against the Palestinians.''


 


Carr had already talked to backbenchers and ministers. He knew he had the support of the majority of the caucus and the majority of the cabinet. Gillard was able to assert her authority to overrule her cabinet, and she did. Cabinet ministers are prime ministerial appointees; they serve at the PM's pleasure. All prime ministers overrule their cabinets occasionally.


But the caucus, comprising all Labor's federal MPs and senators totalling 102 members, is big, unwieldy and a different matter entirely. It's not bound to obey the leader. In fact, theoretically, the caucus decides policy and the executive is supposed to obey it.


 


Many in the caucus were passionate on this matter. The majority was ready to overturn her decision.


On Conroy's advice, Gillard made a short-lived effort to force her will on the caucus - by privately asking the Right faction to ''bind'' its members in a bloc vote in support of her position. The Right has a small majority in caucus.


 


''Prime Minister,'' replied the Right's convenor and chief government whip, Joel Fitzgibbon, ''I've been here 17 years and I've never seen that happen, and it won't happen this time.''


 


Conroy wanted Gillard to test her authority in the caucus room and fight on. But Gillard decided a quixotic tilt at the Palestinians was not worth her prime ministership. There was an awkward moment as she accepted defeat. Australia abstained in the UN and the political caravan moved on.


 


But on Tuesday this week, Gillard backed the combative Conroy to the hilt on the vexed question of media regulation. Conroy, the Minister for Broadband and Communications, is one of the ministers considered most loyal to Gillard. Or as another cabinet minister put it: ''There are three of them in the bunker - the PM, Swan and Conroy.''


 


She did her best to cut everyone else out of the decision to ensure Conroy got exactly what he wanted.


First, she and Conroy privately struck agreement on a policy decision.


 


Second, she made a pre-emptive strike on her cabinet. Without listing the matter on the cabinet agenda, and without circulating the cabinet submission in advance, Gillard presented the decision as her position and told the meeting that it would be announced in two hours. It was a fait accompli. ''We asked ourselves, 'why are we here?''' one minister later remarked. ''It was obviously pointless to debate it.''


When the caucus met later in the day to consider parliamentary business, the briefing papers on the media policy arrived late, halfway through the meeting, allowing scant reading time. It appeared to be an attempt to railroad the caucus.


 


The caucus secretary, Victoria's Gavin Marshall, suggested it was so late the minister, Conroy, might not be allowed to present the proposal to the meeting. But when it was pointed out the matter was listed on the caucus agenda, Marshall relented. There was a brief debate.


 


Conroy announced to the world he wanted the Parliament to accept the package as it was, without compromise or barter. And he wanted it passed into law by the end of next week's parliamentary session, extraordinary urgency.


 


Conroy was spoiling for a fight. He got one. His proposals have drawn near-universal criticism from the media sector as an unwarranted interference with media freedom. He has won near-zero support from any of the parties or independents he will need to get them into law.


 


As his legislation stands, he has little chance of getting it through the house. His plan doesn't even have the support of the former Labor MP Craig Thomson, who sits as a crossbencher but generally votes with Labor.


''This is horrendous mismanagement,'' fumed one MP after watching Thomson go on TV to denounce the proposals. ''How can she take the show into another fight without having the numbers lined up? We can't even line up our own people to vote for our legislation.''


 


By Friday, the government had antagonised the media, yet faced likely failure in the parliament. It was a major loss for no gain, just as the government prepares for an election. By the end of the week the government was considering amending the proposals in order to get them through the house.


 


Conroy has left his colleagues astounded. More importantly, Gillard's judgment to back him so forcefully has left her colleagues in despair. The Labor members who want the media changes to succeed, and those who oppose them, are united in their incredulity at the sheer incompetence on the matter.


The question hanging over the entire enterprise - why? And, more specifically, why now?


 


Senior members of the government say privately that Gillard and Conroy wanted to punish their enemy, and that means Rupert Murdoch's News group.


 


Murdoch's titles - notably its broadsheet The Australian and its tabloid The Daily Telegraph - have been unrelenting and often rabid in attack on Labor from the moment it took power in 2007. Illustrating the point, The Telegraph festooned its front page on Wednesday with a juxtaposition of Conroy with six dictators, including the rulers responsible for the two bloodiest regimes of the 20th century, Mao and Stalin.


 


The proposed changes would affect newspapers in two ways. First is the so-called public interest test. A government-appointed but statutorily independent person - the public interest media advocate - would have the power to interfere in any industry merger or acquisition that might lessen diversity of media voices.


 


Conroy says that this power is purely to ensure that as many titles, viewpoints or ''voices'' are kept in the market as possible. His critics say it's really designed to stop News Ltd from buying any other media assets. The entire newspaper industry says it's an unjustified restraint at a time when there has never been so much diversity in the number of media voices.


 


Second, if the newspaper self-regulation by the Press Council were held to be inadequate, a government-appointed but statutorily-independent person could impose sterner measures. Conroy calls it ''strong self-regulation''. The newspaper companies consider it government interference. Malcolm Turnbull calls both measures an attack on liberty and democracy.


 


Accepting they are likely to lose the election, Labor's leaders wanted to punish enemies - the Murdoch empire - and reward friends - the trade unions - as they head for the exit, runs the theory held by some senior ministers.


 


But there is another explanation, too. ''Conroy's view has been that the media stuff isn't the worst thing in the world, and it'll distract from leadership speculation and get us through to the end of next week,'' says a senior Labor figure. ''Gillard's entire world is an inside game,'' of how to hold the leadership against any Kevin Rudd recrudescence.


 


The end of next week? That's the last time Parliament sits before the budget, the last time the caucus will be together in one place, the last time there will be a venue and opportunity for any leadership challenge before the budget.


 


But Rudd is resolutely sticking to his pledge that he will not challenge again. This is frustrating some of his more determined supporters, but he is proving immovable.


 


Without any challenge, the onus for change rests with the senior Labor members who, until now, have been Gillard supporters. A delegation to tell her to resign, like the one that gave the same message to Bob Hawke in 1991, is widely mooted. Messy, unpleasant, and, so far, no volunteers.


''I think there's a clear majority of people who want it to happen but want someone else to do it,'' says a member of the Gillard cabinet who is not counted among her detractors.


 


This syndrome has a name. It's a called the ''bystander effect.'' Psychologists came up with the idea to explain a 1964 murder in New York. A 28-year-old woman, Kitty Genovese, was raped and murdered outside her apartment building in an attack that went on for half an hour and was witnessed by dozens of passers-by. No one acted to help, no one called the police.


 


Why would no one act? The incident inspired psychologists John Darley and Bibb Latane to conduct experiments that led to two explanations. As psychologist Dr Melissa Burkley explained in a 2009 article, one is ''pluralistic ignorance … the bystander must realise that they are witnessing an emergency situation'', not just a domestic dispute or lesser contingency.


 


The other is ''diffusion of responsibility,'' where the more bystanders there are, the less responsible each individual feels. ''People may assume that someone else will help or that someone else is better qualified to provide assistance,'' Burkley says. ''But if everyone assumes this, then no one will intervene.''


The bystander effect is Gillard's best chance of making it to the budget.


 


Peter Hartcher is the political editor.


 


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yep thats about how it is :^O

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Funny how your quick to respond :^O


 


I think some of the questions that have been asked are quite reasonable under the circumstances.


Like the one asking where do you get the only honest unbiased information from that you base  your opinions on



 


 


The questions are very reasonable but the answers are lacking


 


We wont get an answer as to "where do you get the only honest unbiased information from that you base  your opinions on"


 


No conviction at all to back up their beliefs or statements with real facts or information.... Sounds a lot like our PM now doesnt it when she is asked a question.


 


 


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 copying a lot of gibberish from the comics does not give you the right to ask me anything . someone who reproduces images from Larry Pickering ought to be explaining themselves, not asking others to 🙂

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for crying out loud you even copied the disclaimer from someone else.


has anyone seen an original thought ?


rits a rombie

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for crying out loud you even copied the disclaimer from someone else.


has anyone seen an original thought ?


rits a rombie



 




 


 

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Here is a good paper to read:


 


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/mar/15/phone-hacking-murdoch-news-world


 


 


I think it's against forum guidelines to post stuff from behind a paywall, I once posted something from the Financial Review that eBay didn't like.

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. This was not paywalled.

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Latest is that Conroy will withdraw this Media Bill because he hasn't got the support. He has to do this because JG cannot be seen defeated on the floor.


This was on the late news tonight.


 


The knife edge is hovering closer over her, the hot talk is she will go before next weekend. Rudd will be begged to come back, he might but they think he'll decline & Combet or Shorten will have to step in.


 


This could be the last desperate act by Labor to try to somewhat lessen the trainwreck they are all facing. The caucus is slipping out of control & there's nothing she can do about it. Who will make the first move I wonder? Albo & his faction? or will the faceless men step up? should be an interesting week.

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Why Gillard keeps the unions onside


 


IN terms of arrogance, the Gillard government far exceeds the worst excesses of the Whitlam government. As one Labor MP darkly muttered this past week: “Out of order, came chaos.”


 


The Gillard government’s capacity to actually create disasters is almost beyond belief.


 


This may be in part due to its clumsy handling of its minority partners, the independents and the Greens, but while their allegiance has never yet wavered they have also been showered with what appears to be superfluous largesse to keep them onside.


 


In the past week, Labor bid for Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor’s support for its new undemocratic media regulation laws with an offer to dump months of negotiation between the giant supermarkets and their suppliers and introduce its own mandatory code.


 


So much for the dispute resolution code that a working group of the Australian Food and Grocery Council, the National Farmers Federation, Coles and Woolworths have come up with since being asked to prepare a code of conduct last September.


 


With a need for diversions from the disastrous WA election result and last Tuesday’s Newspoll in the last two sitting weeks before the Easter break, out went the constructive approach and in came the quick and nasty headline-grabber. So, too, with the attack on press freedom, the release of a new arts policy, and the unsubtle attack on skilled foreign workers holding 457 visas.


 


In the search for populist headlines to distract the electorate, “big is bad” and “consumers can afford to pay” to keep inefficient farmers and food manufacturers going, hit the mark.


 


Prime Minister Julia Gillard singled out the IT industry in her attack on 457 visa holders but the NBN Co spent $144,098 on online recruitment ads in the financial year to October 31 and says about 2 per cent of its workers are on 457 visas.


 


One of its major contractors, Silcar, could not say how many of the skilled foreign workers it employed but other companies involved in the NBN roll-out and IT industry said there were simply not enough skilled Australians to keep the project moving.


 


Mike Cannon-Brookes, co-founder of IT company Atlassian, exploded on the anti-social Twitter network: “Just outraged at the insanity of Julia Gillard complaining about 457s in IT being bad for the economy.


 


“How can you say IT is the future of the country, then complain when we import skilled labour to help us?”


 


But the biggest beneficiaries of Labor’s inchoate scramble to divert and distract have been the leaders of the shrinking trade union movement.


 


On Thursday, Gillard promised delegates to the ACTU conference that the Fair Work Act would be amended to enshrine additional remuneration for penalty rates.


 


This is largely symbolic as this is something that already occurs when the Fair Work Commission makes or varies a modern award.


 


The previous day, the government majority on the Senate Education, Employment and Workplace Relations Committee rejected a Private Member’s Bill introduced by the Opposition leader in the senate, Senator Eric Abetz, which would have brought the governance laws applying to registered organisations in line with those which apply in corporations laws.


 


During Gillard’s safari to western Sydney, the government announced it would amend the Fair Work Act to provide access to arbitration for deadlocked greenfields negotiations and provide a legal right to unions to hold recruitment meetings in workplaces if agreement on another location couldn’t be reached.


 


Other changes require employers to pay transport and accommodation for union officials to conduct visits.


 


( my input) Yes that is correct and true about paying for the unions.. scary isnt it)


 


At the same time, it failed to implement the promised “second tranche” of IR changes recommended by the Fair Work Review Panel which were largely supported by business and the Coalition but opposed by the ACTU. 


 


http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/why_gillard_keeps_the_unions_onside/


 


 

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Frankly nero, I don't think Labor can take any more. They look beaten & demoralised by the breathtaking lack of judgement & missteps from JG.


 


Even if she is replaced, so what? it will only be another face that stood by & let the narcissist psychotic Rudd run amok & Gillard lie & drive the Labor support through the floor.


 


I think they are now beyond the pale, the sandbagging, porkbarrelling, union protection they are running with, at this very moment, staggers belief.


 


How can a govt go on like this, spit in the face of Australians, spit on the graves of our lost soldiers who fought for our country, democracy & freedom of the press to regulate the free press to protect itself.


 


Every day I am astonished  at just what some Australians can defend with this disgraceful cowardly govt.


 


This govt who lies not just to get elected but every day to cover the tracks of the chipping away of free press, the politics of division, the racist dog whistle of Gillard & the unions against 457 visa holders but never mention the countless thousands here illegally & living off the public purse with no opportunity to work.


 


The open discussions every day about her leadership, her failures, her bog stubborness to see what she has done to this magnificent country.


 


We are now in over our heads to the tune of around $400 billion & still she announces more largesse, more give aways, more "announcements re NDIS" she knows will never get up. What a cynical con on all of us.

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