12-04-2016 09:12 AM - edited 12-04-2016 09:13 AM
What has happened to this movement and ideology? Is it sexist to expect teen girls to behave like ladies and boys like men? Why are some girls picking fights with boys in the school yard, literally pushing and shoving and taunting like "C'mon have a go, you wanna fight" and doing this day after day and if the boy reacts in anyway he is labelled a girl basher, even when it's the girl that throws the first or only punch... And men, why so many feminine men these days? And with movements like MGTOW (Men going their own way), which has spawned in retalliation to thrid-wave feminism, are we witnessing the destruction of society as we know it?
on 13-04-2016 10:43 AM
@3ksandpj wrote:What is wrong with girls being lady like? Women with children being "mothers" "carers" and men being "fathers" or "protectors/providers"
Maybe you should ask the men who walk out on their families, move assets and do not pay maintenance, leaving the women to bring up their kids in poverty.
As for the rest, as I said it has nothing to do with feminism. Feminists are still striving for the same = EQUALITY. What is staggering is the gullibility of people believing that there are hordes of women out there raping men. The statistics on rape of men include rape of straight man by another man, and consensual intercourse between adult woman and underage boy.
on 13-04-2016 12:55 PM
The amount of men that get raped these days according to reports is phenomenal. Men getting raped by women... Does that not seem odd to you?
Yes, men do get raped - though not nearly as many as women - yes, male rape is underreported because males are less likely than women to report assaults. and yes, there are documented cases of men being sexually assaulted by women, but to suggest the number is 'phenonenal' is absurd.
And even a cursory glance at statistics (via Google) will show you that in an overwhelming majority of male rape cases the perpetrator is another male.
on 13-04-2016 03:10 PM
@***super_nova*** wrote:
@3ksandpj wrote:What is wrong with girls being lady like? Women with children being "mothers" "carers" and men being "fathers" or "protectors/providers"
Maybe you should ask the men who walk out on their families, move assets and do not pay maintenance, leaving the women to bring up their kids in poverty.
As for the rest, as I said it has nothing to do with feminism. Feminists are still striving for the same = EQUALITY. What is staggering is the gullibility of people believing that there are hordes of women out there raping men. The statistics on rape of men include rape of straight man by another man, and consensual intercourse between adult woman and underage boy.
Can you please give me some examples of inequality that is happening now.
on 13-04-2016 03:24 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:The amount of men that get raped these days according to reports is phenomenal. Men getting raped by women... Does that not seem odd to you?
Yes, men do get raped - though not nearly as many as women - yes, male rape is underreported because males are less likely than women to report assaults. and yes, there are documented cases of men being sexually assaulted by women, but to suggest the number is 'phenonenal' is absurd.
And even a cursory glance at statistics (via Google) will show you that in an overwhelming majority of male rape cases the perpetrator is another male.
True, phenomenal was an over exaggeration. Still 6% of male rapes being committed by females is still quite alot, and all sexual violence is grossly underreported in general. So it could very well be more than that...
13-04-2016 03:57 PM - edited 13-04-2016 03:59 PM
@3ksandpj wrote:Can you please give me some examples of inequality that is happening now.
There is heaps of inequality all around the world. But even in Australia, university graduates getting their 1st job and comparing people with equal results from equal course, women's pay is substantially less. This is government stats for gender pay gap, which is growing:
https://www.wgea.gov.au/sites/default/files/Gender_Pay_Gap_Factsheet.pdf
https://www.wgea.gov.au/news-and-media/national-gender-pay-gap-record-high-188
on 13-04-2016 04:30 PM
@3ksandpj wrote:Still 6% of male rapes being committed by females is still quite alot, and all sexual violence is grossly underreported in general. So it could very well be more than that...
Are these figures for convictions or reports? What are you saying is that when out of 100 cases of sexual attack 94 are on women and 6 are on men, yet somehow that the attacks on men " is a lot"? Especially, considering that the most likely conviction of a woman is for having sex with younger boy. While most rape convictions of men include serious, often permanent, injury to the woman.
on 13-04-2016 05:37 PM
What is wrong with girls being lady like? Women with children being "mothers" "carers" and men being "fathers" or "protectors/providers"
Protectors; providers. There are one or two fundamental problems with that concept
From what or whom does the modern Australian woman need protecting by her menfolk: man eating wombats, rampaging kangaroos, or could it be other men?
And if protection is the man’s role, then whose role is it to protect the family while he away doing the ‘providing’
Now let’s consider the ‘man as provider’ scenario. This is not traditional – it is simply a status symbol that came in with the rise of the middle class. It was in great part the ill paid labour of female mill workers, factory workers, domestic servants, dressmakers etc. that allowed the nouveau riche to flaunt their non-working wives as a symbol of their affluence; with the result that being able to ‘keep’ a wife and family on a single wage became a goal for those aspiring to upward mobility.
In rural areas women have always worked alongside their men (shepherdesses and milk maids are not figments of the imagination of costume shop owners). The men may have owned the farms and managed the livestock but it was usually their wives who kept the chooks, made the butter and cheese and took the produce to market – on top of running the home and caring for the children.
When we think about the provision of food in the very earliest societies we tend to picture a group of young men armed with spears tracking and killing an animal which they then carry home in triumph to their waiting womenfolk. There is a reason, though, why these people are described as ‘hunter/gatherers?
We have no way of knowing what the division of labour was, and is probable that the men did most of the hunting – they were physically stronger and, biologically, more expendable, but is also probable that the women did most of the gathering, together with the carrying and preparing of whatever they gathered and it is almost certain that what they provided constituted a larger part of the staple diet than the meat provided by the hunters.
So it would appear that, from as far back as the Stone Age, women, equally with men, have always been both protectors and providers for their families
on 13-04-2016 07:46 PM
@***super_nova*** wrote:
@3ksandpj wrote:Still 6% of male rapes being committed by females is still quite alot, and all sexual violence is grossly underreported in general. So it could very well be more than that...
Are these figures for convictions or reports? What are you saying is that when out of 100 cases of sexual attack 94 are on women and 6 are on men, yet somehow that the attacks on men " is a lot"? Especially, considering that the most likely conviction of a woman is for having sex with younger boy. While most rape convictions of men include serious, often permanent, injury to the woman.
Nah out of the total male rapes 94. something % are done by other males the rest by females...
on 13-04-2016 07:57 PM
on 13-04-2016 08:10 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:What is wrong with girls being lady like? Women with children being "mothers" "carers" and men being "fathers" or "protectors/providers"
Protectors; providers. There are one or two fundamental problems with that concept
From what or whom does the modern Australian woman need protecting by her menfolk: man eating wombats, rampaging kangaroos, or could it be other men?
And if protection is the man’s role, then whose role is it to protect the family while he away doing the ‘providing’
Now let’s consider the ‘man as provider’ scenario. This is not traditional – it is simply a status symbol that came in with the rise of the middle class. It was in great part the ill paid labour of female mill workers, factory workers, domestic servants, dressmakers etc. that allowed the nouveau riche to flaunt their non-working wives as a symbol of their affluence; with the result that being able to ‘keep’ a wife and family on a single wage became a goal for those aspiring to upward mobility.
In rural areas women have always worked alongside their men (shepherdesses and milk maids are not figments of the imagination of costume shop owners). The men may have owned the farms and managed the livestock but it was usually their wives who kept the chooks, made the butter and cheese and took the produce to market – on top of running the home and caring for the children.
When we think about the provision of food in the very earliest societies we tend to picture a group of young men armed with spears tracking and killing an animal which they then carry home in triumph to their waiting womenfolk. There is a reason, though, why these people are described as ‘hunter/gatherers?
We have no way of knowing what the division of labour was, and is probable that the men did most of the hunting – they were physically stronger and, biologically, more expendable, but is also probable that the women did most of the gathering, together with the carrying and preparing of whatever they gathered and it is almost certain that what they provided constituted a larger part of the staple diet than the meat provided by the hunters.
So it would appear that, from as far back as the Stone Age, women, equally with men, have always been both protectors and providers for their families
Totally agree She-ele. Of course women and men both can change their roles in providing, protecting, caring etc. I'm not so black and white that I think that it's sole the job of one or the other. When raising a family traditional gender roles are important imo. It's for the good of the whole society. I know it's not for everyone, some people never want to have children, thats their choice. It's not up to feminism to dictate how people ought to conform though. Theres no shame in a woman being a mum and a man being a dad, in the traditional sense of the word...