on โ02-03-2014 11:52 PM
on โ02-03-2014 11:57 PM
on โ03-03-2014 09:26 AM
@spotweldersfriend wrote:
...to be paid as little as half the minimum wage.
http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-green-army-will-be-paid-half-the-mi...
yes and this "green army" will be replacing jobs that are paid properly. Abbott will probably add these "green army" numbers to his 1million jobs promise. Is this "green army" Abbotts answer to climate change - ![]()
on โ03-03-2014 09:51 AM
I dont understand........ The national minimum wage is $16.37 per hour for adults 21 and over, 30 hours at that rate is about $491.....17 year old juniors/trainees rate is $9.46 an hour, 30 hours is about $280.
Are people expecting they should be paid for a full week when only doing part time hours? Or do you think they should be paid above the award rate per hour?
Perhaps I'm missing something?
on โ03-03-2014 10:01 AM
@punch*drunk wrote:I dont understand........ The national minimum wage is $16.37 per hour for adults 21 and over, 30 hours at that rate is about $491.....17 year old juniors/trainees rate is $9.46 an hour, 30 hours is about $280.
Are people expecting they should be paid for a full week when only doing part time hours? Or do you think they should be paid above the award rate per hour?
Perhaps I'm missing something?
perhaps?
A ''green army'' of 15,000 young people will be paid as little as half the minimum wage, as fresh details emerge of the federal government's plan to create Australia's largest environmental workforce.
Young people who fill the green army's ranks will be paid about half the minimum wage, earning between $304.20 and $493.70 a week.
The wages compare with $622.20 a week for the minimum wage and the basic rate of $250.50 a week for a single person getting Newstart, or the dole. The scheme is modelled on John Howard's Green Corps, and will be an alternative to work-for-the-dole programs.
on โ03-03-2014 10:08 AM
@boris1gary wrote:
@punch*drunk wrote:I dont understand........ The national minimum wage is $16.37 per hour for adults 21 and over, 30 hours at that rate is about $491.....17 year old juniors/trainees rate is $9.46 an hour, 30 hours is about $280.
Are people expecting they should be paid for a full week when only doing part time hours? Or do you think they should be paid above the award rate per hour?
Perhaps I'm missing something?
perhaps?
A ''green army'' of 15,000 young people will be paid as little as half the minimum wage, as fresh details emerge of the federal government's plan to create Australia's largest environmental workforce.
Young people who fill the green army's ranks will be paid about half the minimum wage, earning between $304.20 and $493.70 a week.
The wages compare with $622.20 a week for the minimum wage and the basic rate of $250.50 a week for a single person getting Newstart, or the dole. The scheme is modelled on John Howard's Green Corps, and will be an alternative to work-for-the-dole programs.
I must still be missing the point. The figures quoted up there ($304.20 & 493.70) are pretty much exactly 30 hours at the standard minumum wage for the relevant ages. The lower amount being 17 year olds, the higher for adults.
Do people expect the 17 year olds working 30 hours to earn the same as a 21 year old working 38 hours? ie $622.20
Or is the standard working week 30 hours now?
on โ03-03-2014 10:09 AM
on โ03-03-2014 10:19 AM
@punch*drunk wrote:
@boris1gary wrote:
@punch*drunk wrote:I dont understand........ The national minimum wage is $16.37 per hour for adults 21 and over, 30 hours at that rate is about $491.....17 year old juniors/trainees rate is $9.46 an hour, 30 hours is about $280.
Are people expecting they should be paid for a full week when only doing part time hours? Or do you think they should be paid above the award rate per hour?
Perhaps I'm missing something?
perhaps?
A ''green army'' of 15,000 young people will be paid as little as half the minimum wage, as fresh details emerge of the federal government's plan to create Australia's largest environmental workforce.
Young people who fill the green army's ranks will be paid about half the minimum wage, earning between $304.20 and $493.70 a week.
The wages compare with $622.20 a week for the minimum wage and the basic rate of $250.50 a week for a single person getting Newstart, or the dole. The scheme is modelled on John Howard's Green Corps, and will be an alternative to work-for-the-dole programs.
I must still be missing the point. The figures quoted up there ($304.20 & 493.70) are pretty much exactly 30 hours at the standard minumum wage for the relevant ages. The lower amount being 17 year olds, the higher for adults.
Do people expect the 17 year olds working 30 hours to earn the same as a 21 year old working 38 hours? ie $622.20
Or is the standard working week 30 hours now?
Tony Abbott may be slashing environmental programs anywhere he can find them โ including cuts to environmental legal centres, cuts to energy efficiency programs, and cuts to the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, not to mention his plans to abolish the profitable Clean Energy Finance Corporation and the emissions trading system.
But we do have to give him credit with following through on one positive environmental project.
As plans to revive compulsory work for the dole surface, the Abbott government has confirmed that itโs going ahead with its โGreen Armyโ plan to provide opportunities for 17-24-year-olds to gain training and experience in environment and conservation jobs.
Up to 15,000 young Australians interested in revegetation of local reserves, erecting signage in parks, pulling weeds and restoring foreshores will be able to take part in the Abbott Government's national Green Army project.
The Green Army is only open to 17-24 year olds, including school leavers, gap-year students and those on Newstart.
โDesigned with Gen Y in mind, participants will work six hours a day, five days a week, take morning and afternoon rests of at least 15 minutes and a lunch break of at least an hour.โ
โParticipants will be paid an allowance of between $10.14 and $16.45 an hour for 30 hours - which will be considered full time,โ the Courier Mail reports.
on โ03-03-2014 10:28 AM
โDesigned with Gen Y in mind, participants will work six hours a day, five days a week, take morning and afternoon rests of at least 15 minutes and a lunch break of at least an hour.โ
โParticipants will be paid an allowance of between $10.14 and $16.45 an hour for 30 hours - which will be considered full time,โ the Courier Mail reports.
So how many hours do you think they should be paid for? Full time is generally considered anything over 35 hours per week.
Do we pay them for 35 hours? 40 hours? i know people that work 60 hours and in the past I worked as much as 70 when it was required.
I think you'll find despite whether they are considered full time or part time, most people ony get paid for the actual hours they work. Full time or part time classification would have more to do with entitlement/insurance etc than how many hours they get paid for.
on โ03-03-2014 11:04 AM
What happens if they're injured? Given that the young are over represented in workplace death and injury it's ludicrous to exempt them from such standards. Is that a piece of the red tape they aim to abolish?
Green army members will be exempt from Commonwealth workplace laws, including the Work Health and Safety Act, the Fair Work Act and the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act.