on 25-01-2015 04:38 PM
A reminder of the debt that Australia has, while Labor can bury their heads and deny it exists the fact remains we have a huge problem with debt and sooner than later the chips will fall, no business, no state and no country can keep operating in the red, eventually those we own the money to will own us. Who will own us?
The state of Qld has debt of $80 billion dollars, Labor are saying they don’t think it’s that bad, Bill Shorten on Australia’s debt, there is no debt crisis, there is a crisis and we are in this situation because of Labor, no one else and the bottom line is Labor can’t fix this problem, their speciality is creating debt not fixing debt.
Solved! Go to Solution.
on 30-01-2015 02:16 PM
on 30-01-2015 02:26 PM
@vicr3000 wrote:
Going back to the award of the Knight to Prince Phillip.
Abbott was only following on from Labor / a Labor PM in awarding Prince Phillip an Australian Honor.
And since we now have knighthoods, protocol alone suggests he should have the highest one.
I bet none of you would have criticised a Labor PM if they had made the award and probably didn't
when Labor PM made the intiial one.
So this is just an upgrade from AK to Knight.
You really are embarrasingly, desperately scarping the bottom of the barrel now trying to defend the indefensible.
Even Abbott himself has admitted he was wrong to give the Knighthood to prince Philip, especially without consultation with his cabinet first.
His MP's are livid with him over this.
Leftie and RIGHT wing newspapers and bloggers are scathing in their critism of Abbott and the whole 'Knightmare' saga.
Who are you trying to convince? Yourself, only I hope.
The poor judgement call was Abbott's and his alone. Bringing Labor into the equation in any way shape or form is pathetic.
30-01-2015 02:34 PM - edited 30-01-2015 02:35 PM
Just pointing out to blind people like you that Labor did it as well.
Yes, an AUSTRALIAN Award to him by a LABOR PM.
Something you would never admit to anyway.
Not as embarassing as you are, criticising Abbott for increasing rates on Education fees.
on 30-01-2015 03:10 PM
on 30-01-2015 04:21 PM
Abbott's blunder won't hurt us in Asia
It truly was a diabolically poor piece of judgment, as was the original decision to re-introduce knighthoods.
Abbott may have believed that both initiatives were consistent with his conservative principles, but it was really the act of, at best, a nostalgic, and at worst a reactionary.
It's true, to paraphrase William F Buckley, that occasionally the job of the conservative is to stand athwart history yelling 'Stop!' But true conservatives never hit reverse.
Conservatism is not about undoing change but about accommodating inevitable change within a stable and familiar social order.
In that sense, Australia's evolving relationship with Britain is a case-study of conservatism done right: there was no revolution, and there has been no breach.
Instead the connection with Britain has loosened gradually, organically, in line with the temper of society. Abbott's attempt to reverse that tide questions the wisdom not only of Australians today but of at least the last four generations (I'm counting from World War II, when Australia switched its primary foreign policy allegiance from the UK to the US). In short, it was a highly un-conservative act.
Still, for all the damage this does to Prime Minister Abbott at home, I'm not convinced by the idea advanced by Nick Bryant yesterday that this debacle damages Australia's reputation overseas, particularly in Asia.
For one thing, Nick doesn't really offer evidence for this judgment (although Crikey has a nice collection of overseas media stories one could point to).
Secondly, it neglects the fact that many of these Asian societies are much more culturally conservative than Australia.
Some of them are themselves monarchies (Japan, Thailand, Brunei, Malaysia [sort of]), and most are more socially hierarchical, less individualist and more reverent towards institutions than is liberal Australia.
I doubt it would shock them to see an honour conferred on a social elder, even if he is a foreigner.
But those are really secondary points. As an overseas media story, it's a one-day wonder, a curiosity. I suspect that what's really going on here is a case of projection: republicans who would like to see Australia sever its bonds with the monarchy are projecting their own views onto the governments and people of Asia
on 30-01-2015 04:41 PM
Here is another one of Abbott's besties joining in the criticism of the knighthood.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott close personal friend, The Australian newspaper's Greg Sheridan
In 2012, Sheridan wrote that Mr Abbott was "my best friend at that time. We talked over everything. The meaning of life, the purpose of politics, who'd win the rugby league grand final, what girls we planned to ask out, petty squabbles we might have had with our parents".
Despite the pair being close, earlier this week Sheridan joined a chorus of criticism of the Prime Minister's "dismaying" decision to knight Prince Philip.
"It is wrong in principle, strategically mistaken and tactically disastrous," he wrote.
on 30-01-2015 04:50 PM
He'll get over it.
on 30-01-2015 04:57 PM
on 30-01-2015 05:32 PM
@vicr3000 wrote:
Just pointing out to blind people like you that Labor did it as well.
Yes, an AUSTRALIAN Award to him by a LABOR PM.
Something you would never admit to anyway.
Not as embarassing as you are, criticising Abbott for increasing rates on Education fees.
And you obviously do not understand the difference between these 2 awards.
on 30-01-2015 05:36 PM
@vicr3000 wrote:
Going back to the award of the Knight to Prince Phillip.
Abbott was only following on from Labor / a Labor PM in awarding Prince Phillip an Australian Honor.
And since we now have knighthoods, protocol alone suggests he should have the highest one.
I bet none of you would have criticised a Labor PM if they had made the award and probably didn't
when Labor PM made the intiial one.
So this is just an upgrade from AC to Knight.
well you would be wrong.
Unlike some around here most of us criticise what we don't like, regardless of the which side they are from.
When does school go back?