on 10-02-2014 05:35 PM
and this is a comment I just read about the situation. I deleted the name to save him/her from embarrassment.
"This isn't abbots fault. Whoever started importing into country , I think it was Gillard there the ones to blame. When did KIA and great Wall come to this country? There been here a while."
Are some people really so stupid?
on 11-02-2014 12:28 PM
on 11-02-2014 12:34 PM
The Age - today
Former premier Steve Bracks, who chaired a 2008 review of the car industry, said the decision was a tragedy, which could have been ‘‘entirely avoided’’.
He said neither Prime Minister Tony Abbott nor Premier Denis Napthine had ‘‘lifted a finger’’, arguing both men should have gone to Japan to press the case for the car maker.
Labor industry spokesman Kim Carr said the government had ‘‘a viciousness to it, a callous disregard for the social consequences’’ of companies like Toyota departing Australia.
University of Adelaide economics and workplace expert John Spoehr warned the closure of all three car makers in Australia could ultimately pull Victoria and South Australia into recession.
‘‘This is the collapse of an entire industry, not just Ford, Toyota and General Motors Holden,’’ Professor Spoehr said.
‘‘Those companies are the tip of the automotive industry – underneath them is a massive components industry and thousands of other suppliers’’ such as transport, business services and advertising.
"It starts to amount to thousands and thousands of jobs.
"With Holden alone we were looking at 50,000 jobs . . . [now] you are looking at hundreds of thousands.’’
The chief executive of the Federation of Automotive Products Manufacturers, Richard Reilly, said most component suppliers didn’t have other revenue streams.
‘‘This is devastating, diabolical,” he said.
on 11-02-2014 12:46 PM
@boris1gary wrote:
@monman12 wrote:FN: "Nongs like that actually vote. Scary..."
Actually the "nongs" comprise 40% sheep and 40% goats who vote for the same paddock without thought , now that is scary, and also depressing.
so that's 80% of the population, what is the other 20% doing?
Thinking and making informed decisions.
on 11-02-2014 12:46 PM
and before high wages start being blamed
The Age - today
The fiction of excessive wage growth
Trouble is, the ministers don't seem to have looked at the stats lately. As the Reserve Bank summarised the story on Friday: ''Various measures of wage growth are now around the lowest they have been over the past decade or longer.''
Since the economy has been growing at below trend, with slowly rising unemployment, for quite a few quarters, this is hardly surprising.
More worthy of serious discussion is the argument of Professor Ross Garnaut and others that, if the economy is to gain lasting stimulus from the belated fall in the dollar, it will need to be accompanied by a fall in real wages.
It is true that a fall in the dollar leads to a rise in the prices of internationally tradeable goods and services.
It is also true that the fall in the nominal exchange rate has to be accompanied by a fall in the real exchange rate (the nominal rate adjusted for our inflation rate relative to those of our trading partners) if it is to cause a lasting improvement in the price competitiveness of our trade-exposed industries.
What doesn't follow is that the real exchange rate can fall only if real wages fall. For a start, it doesn't require wages to grow no faster than the inflation rate for that rate to be unchanged.
All that's need is for wages to grow no faster than the inflation rate plus the trend rate of improvement in the productivity of labour (often taken to be 1.5 per cent a year).
Thus are the benefits of productivity improvement spread around the economy in the form of rising real wages (and, thanks to indexation, rising real pensions) without adding to inflation. As it loved reminding us, this is just what happened throughout the Howard government's term.
It follows that real wages would need to fall only to the extent that the increase in inflation caused by the fall in the dollar exceeded the trend rate of productivity improvement. (Of course, the need for slower wage growth would also be reduced to the extent that our trading partners' inflation rate happened to be higher than ours.)
Let's do some figuring. The Reserve's rule of thumb is that a 10 per cent fall in the dollar adds between 0.25 and 0.5 percentage points to the annual inflation rate over each of the following two years or so.
Since its peak last April, the Aussie has fallen by about 15 per cent against the US dollar. But it's misleading to focus on temporary peaks, so a more representative fall would be less than 14 per cent. And we really should use the fall against the more economy-wide trade-weighted index, which reduces the depreciation to about 11 per cent.
There may be a fair bit more to come, of course, but so far we don't have a lot to worry about. There's no sign we need a fall in real wages, just lower-than-normal real growth.
And if you take the danger level of economy-wide nominal wage growth to be 4 per cent (that is, the inflation-target mid-point of 2.5 per cent plus trend labour productivity improvement of 1.5 per cent), we're looking very restrained.
The wage-price index never got out of hand even at the height of the resources boom, and by September its annual rate of increase had slowed to a terrifying 2.7 per cent. Not.
on 11-02-2014 12:50 PM
@crikey*mate wrote:
@boris1gary wrote:
@monman12 wrote:FN: "Nongs like that actually vote. Scary..."
Actually the "nongs" comprise 40% sheep and 40% goats who vote for the same paddock without thought , now that is scary, and also depressing.
so that's 80% of the population, what is the other 20% doing?
Thinking and making informed decisions.
going by monmans reckoning - LNP voters would have to be mainly nongs then. I have to wonder how monman came to such percentages?
on 11-02-2014 12:56 PM
I was just putting there how I interpreted the post.
I'm not sure about the goat and the sheep thing, I assume *blush* they refer to members of the 2 main parties, no idea which ones etc
but the gist of the post for me, was that on both sides, there were a whole heap of biased/loyal voters, who voted without consideration for what they were voting - ie - they could say "we're gonna cut everyone's knees off" and they'd still vote for that party. iykwim
Then there was only a small amount of the population that actually thought about their decision of who to vote for and did what they needed to make an informed decision.
I don't think that Monman meant us to take the figures literally or as absolute fact, just numbers used to make a point.
on 11-02-2014 03:04 PM
on 11-02-2014 04:27 PM
@spotweldersfriend wrote:
He'd better get cracking if he's going to create a million jobs. Or did he mean a million jobs overseas?
am starting to think it was a media mistake - he meant he was going to oversee 1,000,000 job losses.
putting it that way, he is off to a great start.
on 11-02-2014 05:27 PM
It was on the cards since Ford and Holdens' announcements. One can't make it alone.
Keating has finally got his way, 3 decades later and "Liberated Australian workers from those dirty factory line jobs"
on 11-02-2014 05:29 PM