Truth overboard at Gillian Triggs’ inquiry on children in detention

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Truth overboard at Gillian Triggs’ inquiry on children in detention 

 

 

Well done to Scott Morrison he ripper her and made her look stupid and a liar and this inquiry a political witch hunt

 

Well done to Immigration Department secretary Martin Bowles as well as he put her in her place after the blatant LIES she told... 

 

Worth watching the video and Gillian Triggs squirm when she is exposed as a liar

 

 

 

THE Human Rights Commission president must resign after turning her inquiry on children in detention into a political witch-hunt last week. 

 

Gillian Triggs’ behaviour was unforgivable for someone with semi-judicial powers, able to force witnesses to appear under threat of jail.

 

We cannot have the head of an inquiry showing such bias, heckling witnesses and making false and emotive claims from the bench to make the Christmas Island detention centre seem a hellhole.

 

Nor can we have an inquiry head giving media interviews attacking witnesses and summing up the issues before hearing all the evidence.

 

We also cannot have an inquiry head refusing to correct explosive claims about suicide attempts in detention when they’ve been debunked.

 

It is now impossible to have confidence in Triggs’ impartiality.

 

In fact, it’s hard not to suspect her inquiry is designed to reach a prejudged conclusion — to damn the Abbott Government’s successful border laws.

 

The very fact that Triggs, a law academic, called this taxpayer-funded inquiry is highly suspect.

 

The last time her commission looked into this issue was 2004 — which, what a surprise, was when the Howard government was stopping the boats, too.

 

No further inquiry was held in the seven years of Labor’s Rudd and Gillard governments, during which the border laws were weakened, luring more than 1200 men, women and children to their deaths and filling detention centres to bursting.

 

No, Triggs, appointed by Labor in 2012, waited until another Liberal government was back in power, stopping the boats and emptying the detention centres.

 

Sev Ozdowski, the former human rights commissioner responsible for the 2004 inquiry, calls this timing “very odd”.

 

“When the boats were arriving in large numbers and Labor was at its peak of cruelty towards the boat arrivals, (the commission) almost did not see the problem.”

 

 

 

But Triggs is now on the case, seemingly filled with a righteous anger at the Abbott Government, even though the boats have now stopped and the number of children in detention more than halved.

 

Last month, for instance, she claimed “we’ve had reports that have been confirmed during the day that 10 women have attempted suicide” on Christmas Island.

 

False. There has been only one case of self-harm by a woman that could with any credibility be described as “attempted suicide”. And, no, Madam President, sipping some shampoo does not qualify.

 

Triggs also claimed last month she’d visited the detained children on Christmas Island and “almost all of them, including the adults, were coughing, were sick, were depressed, unable to communicate (and) weak”, which made her want to ask: “What’s going on? Why is this child not being treated?”

 

False again. Sick children are indeed being treated and the Government hotly disputes Triggs’ claim that almost every detained child on Christmas Island is sick.

 

Told this, Triggs — with her inquiry still to hear from Immigration Minister Scott Morrison — gave another media interview rebuking Morrison as needing “to be better advised”, and insisting “all children should be removed from the detention centres and placed in the community”.

 

Er, isn’t that the very thing the inquiry is meant to determine at the end of the hearings, and not near the start? Should an inquiry head really be attacking witnesses even before they’ve given their evidence?

 

But if all that was bad, last week was a disgrace.

 

Morrison appeared before her inquiry and Triggs flew for his throat: “How can you justify detaining children in these conditions for more than a year when there is no evidence that this is the policy that is stopping the boats but rather Operation Sovereign Borders, however you define it, with three-star generals or civilian authorities, whatever name you put to it, the reality is that physical force and power have stopped these boats?”

 

Not biased? Triggs?

 

On it went.

 

Triggs insisted “the people on Christmas Island are being detained in a prison effectively” because on her three visits she had noticed “you cannot get into any of the sections without going through armed guards”.

 

That infuriated the Immigration Department secretary Martin Bowles, who protested at Triggs’ “emotive statements”.

 

“It is not fair to characterise the detention system as a jail,” he said, and Triggs should correct a falsehood.

 

“We do not have armed guards, President. I would like you to acknowledge that.”

 

Triggs would not, despite being repeatedly challenged on her “facts”.

 

But if the head of an inquiry can see armed guards where there are none, and a prison where there are only pool fences, what else is she imagining about what she’s supposed to impartially judge?

 

No, Triggs must resign. She is meant to confront injustice, not commit it.

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/truth-overboard-at-gillian-triggs-inquiry-on-children-in-de...

 

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@debra9275 wrote:
Lol

In that " not a prison" pic someone posted further back, isn't that a prison fence way, way in the background, just the same as the prison fence in the " prison" photo ... Or maybe it's just a row of sticks stuck in the ground haha, depends on what you want to see I suppose

Yes, the Oz paper is well known for their skewed view of things

Nobody's pretending detainees are free to go, Deb. It is a detention centre after all.

 

 

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@lightningdance wrote:


Triggs lied and used emotive language and ended up gobsmacked as she should be.  Can't wait until her and her ilk are weeded out.


LIE = statement that the person knows in untrue

 

People usually lie when they have something to gain.  Gillian Triggs had nothing to gain by making this mistake.  MS Triggs is investigating reports made by many people; why should it matter if she thought that the guards were armed?

 

this is about unfair tratment of people and especially children, not about whether guards are armed or not

 

Anyway, what is the significance?  The asylum seekers are  behind a fence and not allowed out.  They and their children  are serving indefinite sentence.  While we have no idea what is going on there, there are many reports by previous staff  and doctors, and they all report similar things; such like withholding medication from epileptic child who, without her meds, was having fits on daily basis.  The tabs were confiscated by the guards on arrival, and withheld for several weeks despite the parents pleading for their return.

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Voltaire: “Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities” .
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@icyfroth wrote:

@debra9275 wrote:
Lol

In that " not a prison" pic someone posted further back, isn't that a prison fence way, way in the background, just the same as the prison fence in the " prison" photo ... Or maybe it's just a row of sticks stuck in the ground haha, depends on what you want to see I suppose

Yes, the Oz paper is well known for their skewed view of things

Nobody's pretending detainees are free to go, Deb. It is a detention centre after all.

 

 


Then how is it different from a prison. 

According to the article in the OP 'Triggs insisted “the people on Christmas Island are being detained in a prison effectively” At no time did she sugest th 'prison' in which they were being detained was equa lto any one specific TOP SECURITY gaol. So Morrison's allusion to Long Bay was completely irrelevent to her argument. 

She said she had to go through armed guards. Morrison says 'we don't have armed guards.  - assuming that she is wrong and he is right on that score, does that mean that the officers on duty at detention centres are not in fact gaurds and their job is not to prevent detainees from escaping?

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Not addressed to any particular poster: Be wary of  baiting in this thread, trying for replies they can report.

 

Latest Morgan poll no laughing matter for Abbott Govt.

 

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

@debra9275 wrote:
Lol

In that " not a prison" pic someone posted further back, isn't that a prison fence way, way in the background, just the same as the prison fence in the " prison" photo ... Or maybe it's just a row of sticks stuck in the ground haha, depends on what you want to see I suppose

Yes, the Oz paper is well known for their skewed view of things

Nobody's pretending detainees are free to go, Deb. It is a detention centre after all.

 

 


Then how is it different from a prison. 

According to the article in the OP 'Triggs insisted “the people on Christmas Island are being detained in a prison effectively” At no time did she sugest th 'prison' in which they were being detained was equa lto any one specific TOP SECURITY gaol. So Morrison's allusion to Long Bay was completely irrelevent to her argument. 

She said she had to go through armed guards. Morrison says 'we don't have armed guards.  - assuming that she is wrong and he is right on that score, does that mean that the officers on duty at detention centres are not in fact gaurds and their job is not to prevent detainees from escaping?


Where would they escape to? The local villages? They're on an island in the middle of an ocean fgs. So why would guards need to be armed? 

 

She might not have lied directly, but she certainly tried to embellish the truth, and it backfired on her.

 

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Sort of like Alcatraz then.

Joono
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"The border control people in that image are what she was talking about when she said you have to go through armed guards to get into the complex."

 

 

that doesnt make sense if she was speaking from personal experience -

visiting the centre 3 times or so.  your pic shows aust customs and border

protection officers - why would she have to go through them to get into the complex?

i think it is pretty clear she was talking about the immi detention center guards.

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Is there a phone booth around here?

 

Being armed doesn't have to mean you are carrying a gun. 

Joono
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i was specifically responding to karliandjacko who said

g triggs was referring to "the border control people in that image" Smiley Happy

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icy wrote: 

She might not have lied directly, but she certainly tried to embellish the truth, and it backfired on her.

 

No, she didn't try to embellish the truth and no, it didn't backfire on her. This story is just being used to deflect from bigger, more pressing problems with the Abbott Govt, in the real world and on  this forum.

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