Truth overboard at Gillian Triggs’ inquiry on children in detention

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Truth overboard at Gillian Triggs’ inquiry on children in detention 

 

 

Well done to Scott Morrison he ripper her and made her look stupid and a liar and this inquiry a political witch hunt

 

Well done to Immigration Department secretary Martin Bowles as well as he put her in her place after the blatant LIES she told... 

 

Worth watching the video and Gillian Triggs squirm when she is exposed as a liar

 

 

 

THE Human Rights Commission president must resign after turning her inquiry on children in detention into a political witch-hunt last week. 

 

Gillian Triggs’ behaviour was unforgivable for someone with semi-judicial powers, able to force witnesses to appear under threat of jail.

 

We cannot have the head of an inquiry showing such bias, heckling witnesses and making false and emotive claims from the bench to make the Christmas Island detention centre seem a hellhole.

 

Nor can we have an inquiry head giving media interviews attacking witnesses and summing up the issues before hearing all the evidence.

 

We also cannot have an inquiry head refusing to correct explosive claims about suicide attempts in detention when they’ve been debunked.

 

It is now impossible to have confidence in Triggs’ impartiality.

 

In fact, it’s hard not to suspect her inquiry is designed to reach a prejudged conclusion — to damn the Abbott Government’s successful border laws.

 

The very fact that Triggs, a law academic, called this taxpayer-funded inquiry is highly suspect.

 

The last time her commission looked into this issue was 2004 — which, what a surprise, was when the Howard government was stopping the boats, too.

 

No further inquiry was held in the seven years of Labor’s Rudd and Gillard governments, during which the border laws were weakened, luring more than 1200 men, women and children to their deaths and filling detention centres to bursting.

 

No, Triggs, appointed by Labor in 2012, waited until another Liberal government was back in power, stopping the boats and emptying the detention centres.

 

Sev Ozdowski, the former human rights commissioner responsible for the 2004 inquiry, calls this timing “very odd”.

 

“When the boats were arriving in large numbers and Labor was at its peak of cruelty towards the boat arrivals, (the commission) almost did not see the problem.”

 

 

 

But Triggs is now on the case, seemingly filled with a righteous anger at the Abbott Government, even though the boats have now stopped and the number of children in detention more than halved.

 

Last month, for instance, she claimed “we’ve had reports that have been confirmed during the day that 10 women have attempted suicide” on Christmas Island.

 

False. There has been only one case of self-harm by a woman that could with any credibility be described as “attempted suicide”. And, no, Madam President, sipping some shampoo does not qualify.

 

Triggs also claimed last month she’d visited the detained children on Christmas Island and “almost all of them, including the adults, were coughing, were sick, were depressed, unable to communicate (and) weak”, which made her want to ask: “What’s going on? Why is this child not being treated?”

 

False again. Sick children are indeed being treated and the Government hotly disputes Triggs’ claim that almost every detained child on Christmas Island is sick.

 

Told this, Triggs — with her inquiry still to hear from Immigration Minister Scott Morrison — gave another media interview rebuking Morrison as needing “to be better advised”, and insisting “all children should be removed from the detention centres and placed in the community”.

 

Er, isn’t that the very thing the inquiry is meant to determine at the end of the hearings, and not near the start? Should an inquiry head really be attacking witnesses even before they’ve given their evidence?

 

But if all that was bad, last week was a disgrace.

 

Morrison appeared before her inquiry and Triggs flew for his throat: “How can you justify detaining children in these conditions for more than a year when there is no evidence that this is the policy that is stopping the boats but rather Operation Sovereign Borders, however you define it, with three-star generals or civilian authorities, whatever name you put to it, the reality is that physical force and power have stopped these boats?”

 

Not biased? Triggs?

 

On it went.

 

Triggs insisted “the people on Christmas Island are being detained in a prison effectively” because on her three visits she had noticed “you cannot get into any of the sections without going through armed guards”.

 

That infuriated the Immigration Department secretary Martin Bowles, who protested at Triggs’ “emotive statements”.

 

“It is not fair to characterise the detention system as a jail,” he said, and Triggs should correct a falsehood.

 

“We do not have armed guards, President. I would like you to acknowledge that.”

 

Triggs would not, despite being repeatedly challenged on her “facts”.

 

But if the head of an inquiry can see armed guards where there are none, and a prison where there are only pool fences, what else is she imagining about what she’s supposed to impartially judge?

 

No, Triggs must resign. She is meant to confront injustice, not commit it.

 

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@icyfroth wrote:


No and I agree with you on that point. But it's not the point of this discussion.

 

The point of this discussion is that Ms Triggs made a false accusation.


It was NOT an accusation!  It was a statement that was not 100% acurate. 

The point is that the fact that the guards are not always armed is not the point of the inquiry.  It's just a trivia, but you love trivia, don't you.

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Voltaire: “Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities” .
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no, he was trying to get the truth out but she kept lying and emoting until she could not make an argument to support her utterances.

 

So glad she's not a practicing solicitor or Long Bay would be a certainty for her poor clients.Robot Sad

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Not all prisons are maximum security icy. In fact most prisons are not and generally many inmates of prisons that are not maximum secrity have a freedom that those in our detention centres do not.

 

I should also point out that we don't actually call them prisons in Australia. They are called correction centres or facilities. The people in these correction centres are imprisoned whilst they await trial or they have been committed to time as punishment for crimes.

 

I should also point out that we do not imprison CHILDREN in any correctional facility, low or high security. Unless they are the child of an asylum seeker or an orphan travelling alone on an asylum seeking vessel.

 

Don't you think the last point is an issue?


Thank you for explaining the difference between a Correctional Centre and a Detention Centre. In doing so you've answered your own question.

 

Maybe Ms Triggs doesn't realise the difference between a Prison and a Correctional Facility? Actually, in Aus we used to call them gaols before we called them Correctional Facilities.

 

With regard to children in detention centres, which you incorrectly called correctional facilities. Would you have them seperated from their parents? I suppose you'd like to add a charge of stealing children onto the PM as well?

 

And as was pointed out in another post, less children are being held under this government than the previous, with more to be released in the near future.

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@lightningdance wrote:

no, he was trying to get the truth out but she kept lying and emoting until she could not make an argument to support her utterances.

 

So glad she's not a practicing solicitor or Long Bay would be a certainty for her poor clients.Robot Sad


The truth of what?

That people were not given enough drinking water

That badly needed  medications were confiscated & withheld

That people were not given adequate medical care .................etc.

 

Morrison as just avoiding the real issues.

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I'd say that's the discussion she was trying to get to Nova, but somehow they got bogged down by  ''ïs it a prison or not" deflection

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@icyfroth wrote:

@am*3 wrote:

"His brother was then dragged out of the dormitory room by the guard before being continually hit by other G4S guards with the butts of their guns, the witness alleges in a statement obtained by Fairfax Media that was made to Papua New Guinea's government and dated March 26 [2014]"

 

icy wrote: Your point?

 

Is this an acceptable way to treat people held on Manus Island? Who/what Aust Govt Dept allowed this to happen?

 

The Australian Govt can't allow people held in detention centres to be mistreated, and then say never mind, we fired those people that did that. End. of. story.

 


No and I agree with you on that point. But it's not the point of this discussion.

 

The point of this discussion is that Ms Triggs made a false accusation.


The accusation Ms Triggs made, was that detention centres are effectively prisons.

 

The evidence she used in support of this accusation was that on the three occasions she visited a detention centre she had to pass through armed guards. 

 

Was she lying?

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

@am*3 wrote:

"His brother was then dragged out of the dormitory room by the guard before being continually hit by other G4S guards with the butts of their guns, the witness alleges in a statement obtained by Fairfax Media that was made to Papua New Guinea's government and dated March 26 [2014]"

 

icy wrote: Your point?

 

Is this an acceptable way to treat people held on Manus Island? Who/what Aust Govt Dept allowed this to happen?

 

The Australian Govt can't allow people held in detention centres to be mistreated, and then say never mind, we fired those people that did that. End. of. story.

 


No and I agree with you on that point. But it's not the point of this discussion.

 

The point of this discussion is that Ms Triggs made a false accusation.


The accusation Ms Triggs made, was that detention centres are effectively prisons.

 

The evidence she used in support of this accusation was that on the three occasions she visited a detention centre she had to pass through armed guards. 

 

Was she lying?


Well was she? She didn't seem sure, saying she had to check with her clients. There was no evidence.

 

Mr Bowles said they don't have armed guards.

 

In the report on the riots on Manus Island, which julia provided a link to in an earlier post, it was stated the G4S guards were not armed.

 

So...you tell me, She-el.

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Deflection from the real issues.

Injured asylum seekers sue Scott Morrison, government over Christmas Island treatment
26 August 2014

....Law firm Maurice Blackburn filed the action in the Victorian Supreme Court on Tuesday on behalf of the girl and potentially hundreds of asylum seekers and refugees who claim to have been injured while housed on Christmas Island over the past three years.
The minister, Scott Morrison, his department secretary Martin Bowles and the Commonwealth have been negligent in providing health care for Christmas Island detainees, the action will claim. It will seek an order that detainees are moved to a place where they can receive health care, including specialist mental health treatment.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/injured-asylum-seekers-sue-scott-morrison-gove...
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Drawing by a child in detention

 

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@icyfroth wrote:

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

@am*3 wrote:

"His brother was then dragged out of the dormitory room by the guard before being continually hit by other G4S guards with the butts of their guns, the witness alleges in a statement obtained by Fairfax Media that was made to Papua New Guinea's government and dated March 26 [2014]"

 

icy wrote: Your point?

 

Is this an acceptable way to treat people held on Manus Island? Who/what Aust Govt Dept allowed this to happen?

 

The Australian Govt can't allow people held in detention centres to be mistreated, and then say never mind, we fired those people that did that. End. of. story.

 


No and I agree with you on that point. But it's not the point of this discussion.

 

The point of this discussion is that Ms Triggs made a false accusation.


The accusation Ms Triggs made, was that detention centres are effectively prisons.

 

The evidence she used in support of this accusation was that on the three occasions she visited a detention centre she had to pass through armed guards. 

 

Was she lying?


Well was she? She didn't seem sure, saying she had to check with her clients. There was no evidence.

 

Mr Bowles said they don't have armed guards.

 

In the report on the riots on Manus Island, which julia provided a link to in an earlier post, it was stated the G4S guards were not armed.

 

So...you tell me, She-el.


OK.

 

1) She said detention centres are effectively prisons .Nobody here has so far put forward any evidence to refute this and I believe it is correct.

 

2) She said she had visited a detention centre three times and had to pass through armed guards. Given the evidence from witness statements (which Am provided a link to in an earlier post,) then unless rthey all lying we have to accept that when Ms Trigg visited the detention centre(s) -  and note she did not specify Manus Island - there were indeed armed guards.

 

3) When she said she had to check with her clients it is logical to assume it was to check whether the armed guards employed by G4S are still being used under Serco's management

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