Truth overboard at Gillian Triggs’ inquiry on children in detention
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on 25-08-2014 09:12 AM
Truth overboard at Gillian Triggs’ inquiry on children in detention
Well done to Scott Morrison he ripper her and made her look stupid and a liar and this inquiry a political witch hunt
Well done to Immigration Department secretary Martin Bowles as well as he put her in her place after the blatant LIES she told...
Worth watching the video and Gillian Triggs squirm when she is exposed as a liar
THE Human Rights Commission president must resign after turning her inquiry on children in detention into a political witch-hunt last week.
Gillian Triggs’ behaviour was unforgivable for someone with semi-judicial powers, able to force witnesses to appear under threat of jail.
We cannot have the head of an inquiry showing such bias, heckling witnesses and making false and emotive claims from the bench to make the Christmas Island detention centre seem a hellhole.
Nor can we have an inquiry head giving media interviews attacking witnesses and summing up the issues before hearing all the evidence.
We also cannot have an inquiry head refusing to correct explosive claims about suicide attempts in detention when they’ve been debunked.
It is now impossible to have confidence in Triggs’ impartiality.
In fact, it’s hard not to suspect her inquiry is designed to reach a prejudged conclusion — to damn the Abbott Government’s successful border laws.
The very fact that Triggs, a law academic, called this taxpayer-funded inquiry is highly suspect.
The last time her commission looked into this issue was 2004 — which, what a surprise, was when the Howard government was stopping the boats, too.
No further inquiry was held in the seven years of Labor’s Rudd and Gillard governments, during which the border laws were weakened, luring more than 1200 men, women and children to their deaths and filling detention centres to bursting.
No, Triggs, appointed by Labor in 2012, waited until another Liberal government was back in power, stopping the boats and emptying the detention centres.
Sev Ozdowski, the former human rights commissioner responsible for the 2004 inquiry, calls this timing “very odd”.
“When the boats were arriving in large numbers and Labor was at its peak of cruelty towards the boat arrivals, (the commission) almost did not see the problem.”
But Triggs is now on the case, seemingly filled with a righteous anger at the Abbott Government, even though the boats have now stopped and the number of children in detention more than halved.
Last month, for instance, she claimed “we’ve had reports that have been confirmed during the day that 10 women have attempted suicide” on Christmas Island.
False. There has been only one case of self-harm by a woman that could with any credibility be described as “attempted suicide”. And, no, Madam President, sipping some shampoo does not qualify.
Triggs also claimed last month she’d visited the detained children on Christmas Island and “almost all of them, including the adults, were coughing, were sick, were depressed, unable to communicate (and) weak”, which made her want to ask: “What’s going on? Why is this child not being treated?”
False again. Sick children are indeed being treated and the Government hotly disputes Triggs’ claim that almost every detained child on Christmas Island is sick.
Told this, Triggs — with her inquiry still to hear from Immigration Minister Scott Morrison — gave another media interview rebuking Morrison as needing “to be better advised”, and insisting “all children should be removed from the detention centres and placed in the community”.
Er, isn’t that the very thing the inquiry is meant to determine at the end of the hearings, and not near the start? Should an inquiry head really be attacking witnesses even before they’ve given their evidence?
But if all that was bad, last week was a disgrace.
Morrison appeared before her inquiry and Triggs flew for his throat: “How can you justify detaining children in these conditions for more than a year when there is no evidence that this is the policy that is stopping the boats but rather Operation Sovereign Borders, however you define it, with three-star generals or civilian authorities, whatever name you put to it, the reality is that physical force and power have stopped these boats?”
Not biased? Triggs?
On it went.
Triggs insisted “the people on Christmas Island are being detained in a prison effectively” because on her three visits she had noticed “you cannot get into any of the sections without going through armed guards”.
That infuriated the Immigration Department secretary Martin Bowles, who protested at Triggs’ “emotive statements”.
“It is not fair to characterise the detention system as a jail,” he said, and Triggs should correct a falsehood.
“We do not have armed guards, President. I would like you to acknowledge that.”
Triggs would not, despite being repeatedly challenged on her “facts”.
But if the head of an inquiry can see armed guards where there are none, and a prison where there are only pool fences, what else is she imagining about what she’s supposed to impartially judge?
No, Triggs must resign. She is meant to confront injustice, not commit it.
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on 28-08-2014 11:59 AM
Truth overboard at Gillian Triggs’ inquiry on children in detention
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on 28-08-2014 12:02 PM
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in reply to am*3
on 28-08-2014 11:56 AM
am*3 wrote:
So the cries of Triggs needs to be sacked, leftie appointed whatever, bias are just unfounded hysteria? Thought so.
Julia
it is true that she was appointed by the previous government
so draw your own conclusions but asking for her to be sacked -
no. not over this. she will make it right im sure.
Conclusion: hysteria designed to deflect from the real issues in detention centres.
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on 28-08-2014 12:06 PM
The issue of armed guards in immi detention centres
was important enough to be raised and debated here
"ROFL. If you relly believe that Julia, then I think you take these boards and those who post on it just a tad too seriously. Trivia is the order of the day around here."
not sure about taking the board too seriously but there are
quite a few members here who have made valid points re
the conditions in our immi detention centres. i respect them.
if you dont and you find it amusing - thats fine just focus on the bit you didnt quote:
it was important enough for the president
of ahrc to bring it up during the inquiry.
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on 28-08-2014 12:08 PM
So which of my assumptions were illogical and why?
see post 198
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on 28-08-2014 12:15 PM
@am*3 wrote:
Re: Truth overboard at Gillian Triggs’ inquiry on children in detention
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in reply to am*3
on 28-08-2014 11:56 AM
@am*3 wrote:
So the cries of Triggs needs to be sacked, leftie appointed whatever, bias are just unfounded hysteria? Thought so.
Julia
it is true that she was appointed by the previous government
so draw your own conclusions but asking for her to be sacked -
no. not over this. she will make it right im sure.
Conclusion: hysteria designed to deflect from the real issues in detention centres.
so you dont believe having armed guards in our immi
detention centres is a real issue. OK.
i disagree. it is real it was raised during the inquiry by the president.
it needed to be addressed. we'll have to agree to disagree.
cos we're going around in circles.
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on 28-08-2014 12:24 PM
@am*3 wrote:Drawing by a child in detention
I remember art classes at primary school.
The teacher would instruct us to draw a picture of a horse; or draw a picture of a building or draw a picture of being happy.
Perhaps the person in art class at the detention centre instructed the children to "draw a picture of yourself behind iron bars and crying because you can see a lock."
Frankly, I have doubts about the authenticity of this drawing and the reason for it being presented to the public. The arrows? And the magnified depiction of a "clip art" lock?
DEB
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on 28-08-2014 12:43 PM
@am*3 wrote:
She ele.. If someone wants to answer your question they will. What is the point of asking it repeatedly? Reminds me when you do the same thing threads like the missing MH plane. Do you even want a reply LOL?
Yes, I really, really do want a reply.
It has been asserted by some poster heres that Ms Triggs was lying when she said a detention centre is effectively a prison. Obviously these posters believe that a detention centre is NOT effectively a prison -who knows, they may even have valid reasons for that belief - but how can there be any intelligent discussion on the subject when they either cannot or will not explain why they believe it?
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28-08-2014 12:53 PM - edited 28-08-2014 12:54 PM
lloyd.. there are quite a few of those drawings from classwork from children in detention centre.
As a child myself at primary school, as part of the days classwork, we were asked to draw pictures of our family or pets etc (I still have an excercise book with my drawings in it). I don't remember ever being told to draw pictures of being happy.
I drew pictures of a house, flowers, trees, a cat, some stick figures for family. Why wouldn't a child in a detention centre include a security fence in a picture of their surroundings/life?? That is what they see.
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on 28-08-2014 01:02 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@am*3 wrote:
She ele.. If someone wants to answer your question they will. What is the point of asking it repeatedly? Reminds me when you do the same thing threads like the missing MH plane. Do you even want a reply LOL?Yes, I really, really do want a reply.
It has been asserted by some poster heres that Ms Triggs was lying when she said a detention centre is effectively a prison. Obviously these posters believe that a detention centre is NOT effectively a prison -who knows, they may even have valid reasons for that belief - but how can there be any intelligent discussion on the subject when they either cannot or will not explain why they believe it?
She-el...*sigh* ..come on...read the posts.
Nobody said she was lying when she said detention centres are effectively prisons. That's her point of view, and it's debatable.
The lie accusation was about her statement that she'd visited a detention centre and had to go through armed guard to get to each section. Mr Bowles challenged her on that point by emphaticall denying that guards are armed. I'm sure he wouldn't say that if it could be proven otherwise.
Seeing she based her view on the Detention centres being effectively prisons because they are guarded by armed guards, her argument was flawed.
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28-08-2014 01:06 PM - edited 28-08-2014 01:08 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@am*3 wrote:
She ele.. If someone wants to answer your question they will. What is the point of asking it repeatedly? Reminds me when you do the same thing threads like the missing MH plane. Do you even want a reply LOL?Yes, I really, really do want a reply.
It has been asserted by some poster heres that Ms Triggs was lying when she said a detention centre is effectively a prison. Obviously these posters believe that a detention centre is NOT effectively a prison -who knows, they may even have valid reasons for that belief - but how can there be any intelligent discussion on the subject when they either cannot or will not explain why they believe it?
She-el...*sigh* ..come on...read the posts.
Nobody said she was lying when she said detention centres are effectively prisons. That's her point of view, and it's debatable.
The lie accusation was about her statement that she'd visited a detention centre and had to go through armed guard to get to each section. Mr Bowles challenged her on that point by emphaticall denying that guards are armed. I'm sure he wouldn't say that if it could be proven otherwise.
Seeing she based her view on the Detention centres being effectively prisons because they are guarded by armed guards, her argument was flawed.
So, debate it. Are detention centres effectively prisons or aren't they - and if not, why not?

