Tutors

[donnashuggy]

I don't know if this is true but I hear a lot about it

For the record my children have never had a tutor, not because I was unwilling, it was offered to them.

I hear stories about children that were tutored heavily in years 11 and 12 and it helped them. But I have heard stories about tutors writing their essays and the list goes on.

My question is, does it create more university dropouts because these students are not really capable of doing the work themselves? Or is that a myth? Am I able to exclude Asian students from the example, as I know someone is bound to mention that they are also heavily tutored and have good success rates of continuing at uni.

[freakiness]

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@am*3 wrote:

A lot of kids get their essays done online these days.

 I doubt that.

Uni students do it for a few dollars...but schools now test for plagiarism

If a uni student pays someone to write a essay for them, that is cheating but it is not plagiarism. The essay is newly written for that student. A good one costs more than a few dollars also.

Schools and Uni's have tested for plagiarism for several years. Uni's have a program they can feed suspect essays through to check for paragraphs,or whole essays that have been plagiarised. Some people try and re-use a friends essay from a previous year.

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I hope that's not directed at me  😄

[cherry*135]

A lot of students do well without any tutoring also. They may also find Uni not for them and drop out.

I know a family of 4, the eldest three gained academic scholarships to a private school, all 3 of them dropped out of  Uni in the first year.

The eldest never did any Uni work or passed any exams...don't know why,..as far as his parents knew he was getting on OK until the end of the year.

The 2nd one studied Arts.- creative writing and realised she would never get employment in that field.

The third one started off OK at Uni but when he needed to get a p/t time job he went to work but hardly ever went to Uni..and failed his subjects.

They all have decent jobs,  but Uni wasn't for them.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@am*3 wrote:

A lot of kids get their essays done online these days.

 I doubt that.

Uni students do it for a few dollars...but schools now test for plagiarism

If a uni student pays someone to write a essay for them, that is cheating but it is not plagiarism. The essay is newly written for that student. A good one costs more than a few dollars also.

Schools and Uni's have tested for plagiarism for several years. Uni's have a program they can feed suspect essays through to check for paragraphs,or whole essays that have been plagiarised. Some people try and re-use a friends essay from a previous year.

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all of ours get uploaded through the plaigarism checker at both unis

they then go from there straight to the university and a report comes back to us and is also added to the assignment. The report is confimation that our assignment has been submitted by the due time. It locks you out and you can't submit if your assessment isn't through the PC by the deadline.

It also has a waiting list, so if too many students wait until the last few minutes to submit and it gets caught in the queue, they don't all get submitted. If it's due at 5pm, and you don't have coinfirmation in your hand, even if it is submitted to the PC, you're too late. It has to reach the uni/lecturer or whoever it is directed to.

[cherry*135]

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@freakiness wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

A lot of kids get their essays done online these days.

 I doubt that.

Uni students do it for a few dollars...but schools now test for plagiarism

If a uni student pays someone to write a essay for them, that is cheating but it is not plagiarism. The essay is newly written for that student. A good one costs more than a few dollars also.

Schools and Uni's have tested for plagiarism for several years. Uni's have a program they can feed suspect essays through to check for paragraphs,or whole essays that have been plagiarised. Some people try and re-use a friends essay from a previous year.

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I hope that's not directed at me  😄

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No, I have quoted parts of another post, that wasn't one of yours.

I still don't see how a student would pass exams though ( esp HSC or Uni exams), if they are used to a tutor/friend doing their course work for them.

[*crikey*mate*]

doh, it's called SafeAssign...

[cherry*135]

[the_great_she_elephant]

That surprises me.  It is not the feedback I have been getting.  I have never used the Centre myself, my daughter has never received any tutoring (apart maths from her dad) but as I said, I know someone who teaches there and quite a few of my daughter's friends attend it a couple of times a week.   Not sure about the teachers being uneducated in many instances ?????

Meep, is the person you know who works at one of those centres a qualified teacher?

[donnashuggy]

Donna, only a bad tutor would do the work for the child and I'm pretty sure most parents would be dissatisfied with that. Besides, cheating won't help them pass their HSC.

I know, but it probably does depend on the students subjects and what work is done by sitting exams and what is done at home. My son did particularly well at art but a lot of it was done at home, I'm sure that there are kids that submit major works that get help. I also know that kids do get assistance with writing their essays, that does account for something in their HSC. It is all done to increase their final marks, I consider it a form of cheating but perhaps when they start uni the reality sets in and they just drop out.

It is just something that I hear frequently, not saying it is factual at all which is why I thought I would ask whether it was a myth 🙂

[i-need-a-martini]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

That surprises me.  It is not the feedback I have been getting.  I have never used the Centre myself, my daughter has never received any tutoring (apart maths from her dad) but as I said, I know someone who teaches there and quite a few of my daughter's friends attend it a couple of times a week.   Not sure about the teachers being uneducated in many instances ?????

Meep, is the person you know who works at one of those centres a qualified teacher?

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I'm not sure that many of the instructors are qualified teachers. But they don't need to be given that the method is a rote learning method - they just hand out the worksheets and supervise progress from one level to the next. Which is the reason it is often the preferred at-home coaching system.

[cherry*135]

Students drop out of Uni - there can be lots of reasons for that.. not just that they had tutors propping them up in their final years at school. 

There must alot of parents that can't afford extensive tutoring anyway, especially if they have 2 or 3 children at school at the same time.

A good school teacher will pick up on students putting in work/assignments that is above their usual standard of work also and will ask if it is their own work (ask the parents too).