Tutors

[donnashuggy]

I don't know if this is true but I hear a lot about it

For the record my children have never had a tutor, not because I was unwilling, it was offered to them.

I hear stories about children that were tutored heavily in years 11 and 12 and it helped them. But I have heard stories about tutors writing their essays and the list goes on.

My question is, does it create more university dropouts because these students are not really capable of doing the work themselves? Or is that a myth? Am I able to exclude Asian students from the example, as I know someone is bound to mention that they are also heavily tutored and have good success rates of continuing at uni.

[ca04]

They were the other side in the war of the roses.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@**meep** wrote:

The tuturing is rote learning aimed at getting the top HSC scores. It has nothing to do with 'filling in the gaps' due to the poor eduaction system

I disagree that it has nothing to do with that.  ( Based on experience.)

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I assume Donna isn't talking about remedial tutoring. 

[cherry*135]

As I have mentioned, and also Martiini did - some parents want their kids to be lawyers, accountants or what ever, and that is what they are enrolled in.. doesn't mean their children have an aptitude or an interest in those degrees..

 But I have heard stories about tutors writing their essays and the list goes on.

Shonky tutors, not all tutors would do that.

[cherry*135]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@**meep** wrote:

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Apart from the obvious benefits of tutoring such as one on one attention, the ability to ask more questions,  it can also teach the best way to study  that would suit an individual.   Not every student has the same ability to learn.  A tutor can teach the student what methods best suit his ability.  I can only see benefits of extra teaching by tutoring or paying extra for schools where there is opportunity for better learning.

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That's not the way the tutoring system works. Naplan tutoring is a good example of that - it is very specific to passing that test and it is not about educational roundness.

My daughter has remedial tutoring due to learning difficulties. She needs this but I have been told that 90% of teaching at the centre she is at is what they call 'entrance exam' tutoring - either to get the kids into private school of choice or a selective high school. And for the older kids, it is to get them into the uni course of choice. Their advertising material says it upfront.

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Which doesn't necessarily lead to that student failing and dropping out when they go to Uni.

I still don't see if a tutor does assignments (essays) for the student, how the student will get good marks in an a HSC exam if they are used to someone else doing their work.

I know you can pay people to do Uni assignments...but for subjects that have exams as well you would need a good grasp of the subject to pass.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@am*3 wrote:

The PASS classes are good value, crikey (if the tutor is good). Also if they don't clash with other classes. I learnt alot from those.

They offer them for subjects with high failure rate (45% for one subject I did).

Friends of my children who dropped out of Uni did so because they couldn't be bothered.. too much effort, especially if they needed to work p/t as well. 

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I was a regular for Economics....

BC loves em, he has been approved to lead 5 sessions next semester - $200 for 5 hours work. easy money.

[**meep**]

Crikey, I am familiar with the Kumon teaching method.  I know someone who teaches at one of the Centres.

[**meep**]

Martini, you're right, I think I am on the wrong track here.  Either way, I do no think that tutoring or paying for private education, causes university dropouts.   Like Donna, I also know people whose kids were tutored, who are now either at universities or completed their degrees, who feel the extra teaching was beneficial.  So that's pretty much it, as far as addressing the initial question.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@am*3 wrote:

As I have mentioned, and also Martiini did - some parents want their kids to be lawyers, accountants or what ever, and that is what they are enrolled in.. doesn't mean their children have an aptitude or an interest in those degrees..

 But I have heard stories about tutors writing their essays and the list goes on.

Shonky tutors, not all tutors would do that.

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I had tutoring for my kids. because I wanted them to have choices. I wanted them to get the highest marks they were capable of so that when it came time to choose their career path they could do what they wanted, rather than the only thing they could get into.

IMO, that was the best I could do as a parent, provide them the opportunity to have choices.

Imagine going througgh all those school years, decide on a career path only to find out that the bell curve decided you had to make do with something else.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@**meep** wrote:

Crikey, I am familiar with the Kumon teaching method.  I know someone who teaches at one of the Centres.

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cool!

as you know, so was I.

[**meep**]

Yes!   I remember you telling me.