on โ03-12-2018 10:06 PM
on โ05-12-2018 09:25 AM
i really think women wearing clothes that expose the shoulders or men not wearing a jacket or even a tie should be ok in this day and age.
i'm not saying it would be ok for mr rabbitt to turn up in his budgie smugglers and flip flops, but lets get real here, we should be able to dress comfortably to a reasonable standard.
on โ05-12-2018 09:54 AM
I'm not disagreeing, but if they have rules or guidelines that indicate a jacket must be worn or outfits have to have sleeves or whatever, then they need to decide if that rule stays or goes.
Because if it stays, it is unfair on those working there whose job it is to enforce it, if they are forced into a situation where they have to decide when to turn a blind eye eye etc, which is obviously what happened with Bishop.
They need clear guidelines and every MP needs to have a copy of any guidelines or special rules when they take up the job.
To me, they need to sit down and maybe rewrite the guidelines. But I do think they need to have some. I noticed you said that 'I'm not saying it would be ok for mr rabbit to turn up in his budgie smugglers and flip flops'.
I'm not suggesting he ever would, but always there are people who will push the envelope down the track so there need to be guides as to what is basically acceptable and what is not.
I know people here might think it is a matter of common sense but i remember from my work days, there was one evening at a year 6 graduation ceremony in Dec where a few of the girls arrived by limo in outfits that showed a lot of flesh & (in my opinion & some others) were more suited to a streetwalker, totally unacceptable gear for 12 year old girls. You wouldn't think you would have to issue dress guidelines for a year 6 graduation, would you! After that, the prin fixed it-it was a case of everyone comes in school uniform.
on โ05-12-2018 11:18 AM
on โ05-12-2018 12:09 PM
except we arnt talking about a year 6 school event, we are talking about our australian parliment in 2018, all adults.
we see 2 examples of how the same rules are enforced (or not)
if some 'official' at zoomed up to the MP wearing her shoulder revealing dress and told her she had to leave then this would be a totally different story.
funny how the female was an ABC reporter who got fingered for the 'get out of here now' treatment.
on โ05-12-2018 07:39 PM
Oh I agree, it should be the same rule across the board for all MPs.
I actually think reporters/ cameramen and visitors should be allowed a little bit more leniency than MPs and the same dress code should not apply to them.
The 'rules' should only apply to MPs or those who work in those rooms and might be under scrutiny.
But as for saying all MPs are adults, from what i have seen of life, never assume that will stop anyone from making a bad decision at some stage.
So I do think there need to be guidelines, they need to be clear and they need to be abided by. But that doesn't mean I think the present rules have to stay, they obviously need revision.
What you mentioned-the uneven enforcement of the 'rules' is exactly why the rules need to be clear & I think highlights the main complaint not just in parliament house but in any place-unfair or differential treatment. It's always going to happen sometimes and sometimes it will be by accident. But what people care most about is not just 'rules' but that they are fairly administered.
on โ06-12-2018 12:19 PM
Actually sleeves, or the absence of, are not mentioned in the House dress code
on โ06-12-2018 12:49 PM
Maybe she should have taken a leaf out of Paulines book and worn a burqa.