on 08-03-2014 09:39 AM
This disgusting swan song from a Green was lauded on here as a milestone and a rival to Gillards misplaced misogyny rant.
The people who support this type of hate speech are not indicitive of the wider Australian people and to applaud this type of hate is appalling.
I will stand up to this type of thing and so will the majority of Australians. This person is not fit to be in parliament and he should be rejected wholeheartedly by everyone, which he will be come the WA re election, and good riddance to him and his ilk:
SPORTING dark suit and speaking in a calm, measured tone, Scott Ludlam is the acceptable face of the Greens.
He has spoken out previously against the “people’s revolt” against the carbon tax that sparked the “Ditch the Witch” nastiness.
Ludlam’s style is the antithesis of histrionics such as the current appalling rock concert concoctions of a fake prime ministerial beheading.
This week the West Australian senator rose to a near-empty chamber and delivered a prepared speech without raising his voice and with no one around to interject. Later, the 7 1/2-minute speech went viral on YouTube, a hit with the young Green Left crowd, attracting 400,000 hits within a few days.
But forget the style of the speech; it merely disguised a message that was divisive, vindictive and in the end subversive.
“We want our country back,” he said, just six months after a federal election. This is a senator who, with his colleagues, holds the balance of power in the Senate on about 10 per cent of the vote.
Yet he told supporters they were somehow disenfranchised.
Ludlam spoke of “predator capitalism” and a “murderous horror unfolding on Manus Island” as he launched an attack on the Prime Minister and his government. He suggested Abbott treated WA as a “caricatured redneck backwater” and that it was “kind of revolting” that the Prime Minister consulted with “mining billionaires and media oligarchs on the other side of the world”.
Ludlam provided no serious evidence or justification for his slurs. He even talked about Abbott - who I first met 20 years ago through a mutual gay friend and who has been publicly loving and supportive of his gay sister - as “waving (his) homophobia in people’s faces”.
We know the Greens are a party of protest but this invective was simply hateful.
“Prime Minister,” said Ludlam, “you are welcome to take your heartless and racist exploitation of people’s fears and ram it as far from Western Australia as your taxpayer-funded travel entitlements can take you.”
So Ludlam used the Senate to denigrate a freshly elected Prime Minister who is implementing his agenda - to the extent that he isn't blocked by Ludlam’s party - as racist, cynically manipulative, heartless and exploitative.
On what evidence?
This vitriol is subversive because it suggests a democratic government has somehow stolen the country. If Ludlam and his supporters want their “country back” surely the way to do it is through fair-minded criticism and a viable alternative.
No matter how calmly it is presented, unhinged hatred can’t help anyone.
Solved! Go to Solution.
on 10-03-2014 05:02 PM
@izabsmiling wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@izabsmiling wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@freakiness wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:you could start with this one:
@spotweldersfriend wrote:
Is Tone's father still around or has he 'died of shame'?
IC: "The "father dying of shame" comment was not made by Mr Abbot and was roundly condemned by all parties at the time it was made by Mr Jones. He was made to apologise publicly about it.
To bring it into a discussion now with reference to Mr Abbot's father is just as despicable. As is derogatory reference to his daughters and wife."
Oh please, it was a bit of irony. Not in the best taste but hardly having a go at his family.
No, Abbott did not rush to make Jones apologise.The only reason Jones apologised is because of the social media backlash and then the apology was not at all sincere. Abbott also stole and modified the line to attack Gillard with.
Reference to Mr Abbott pimping his daughters for his election campaign has been made on other occasions by other posters here. They know who they are.
I agree the "father dying of shame comment" made by Alan Jones, whom I incidently loathe with a passion, was disgusting and outrageous. Not good form for Mr Abbott to use it later in a modified form later in parliament either.
But I've never seen him attack any member of her family or her partner.
pimp; verb (used with object)to exploit
verb (used with object)1.to utilize, especially for profit; turn to practical account: to exploit a business opportunity.2.to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.3.to advance or further through exploitation; promote: He exploited his new movie through a series of guest appearances.Tony Abbott: 'the guy with the not bad looking daughters' Tony Abbott, the gaffe-prone Australian election favourite, has appeared in a plea for votes to the contestants in the Big Brother television programme, describing himself as "the guy with the not bad looking daughters".and?
and the words fit ...yes or no ?
Fit what?
The PM's daughters helping him win an election? No way, and I think it's disgusting to imply that, frankly.
10-03-2014 05:09 PM - edited 10-03-2014 05:10 PM
of course they did. if they were a liablity they wouldn't be there.
on 10-03-2014 05:18 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@izabsmiling wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@izabsmiling wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@freakiness wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:you could start with this one:
@spotweldersfriend wrote:
Is Tone's father still around or has he 'died of shame'?
IC: "The "father dying of shame" comment was not made by Mr Abbot and was roundly condemned by all parties at the time it was made by Mr Jones. He was made to apologise publicly about it.
To bring it into a discussion now with reference to Mr Abbot's father is just as despicable. As is derogatory reference to his daughters and wife."
Oh please, it was a bit of irony. Not in the best taste but hardly having a go at his family.
No, Abbott did not rush to make Jones apologise.The only reason Jones apologised is because of the social media backlash and then the apology was not at all sincere. Abbott also stole and modified the line to attack Gillard with.
Reference to Mr Abbott pimping his daughters for his election campaign has been made on other occasions by other posters here. They know who they are.
I agree the "father dying of shame comment" made by Alan Jones, whom I incidently loathe with a passion, was disgusting and outrageous. Not good form for Mr Abbott to use it later in a modified form later in parliament either.
But I've never seen him attack any member of her family or her partner.
pimp; verb (used with object)to exploit
verb (used with object)1.to utilize, especially for profit; turn to practical account: to exploit a business opportunity.2.to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.3.to advance or further through exploitation; promote: He exploited his new movie through a series of guest appearances.Tony Abbott: 'the guy with the not bad looking daughters' Tony Abbott, the gaffe-prone Australian election favourite, has appeared in a plea for votes to the contestants in the Big Brother television programme, describing himself as "the guy with the not bad looking daughters".and?
and the words fit ...yes or no ?
Fit what?
The PM's daughters helping him win an election? No way, and I think it's disgusting to imply that, frankly.
Attacking innocent family members is not beyond some on here. I put it down to what they call left wing fringe, disenfranchised and bitter, this said by a mainstream A grade journalist on TV on sunday.
It must be terrible to spend all your time on here posting very nasty borderline stuff and expressing opinions that a person wouldn't dream of uttering under different circumstances.
on 10-03-2014 05:18 PM
Icy, as far as I am concerned any problem is due to non acceptance of the meanings of words in the English language.
If to exploit is to ulitise for personal gain...that quite simply was what was done .
THEY are Tony Abbott's heavy artillery in his battle for the female vote and yesterday they threatened to upstage his biggest campaign moment.
Frances and Bridget Abbott introduced the Opposition Leader to a crowd of party faithful in Brisbane with a speech that was at times more 21st roast than campaign launch.
Coalition's 2013 election launch kills Tony Abbott's Mr Negative
on 10-03-2014 05:19 PM
Silverfaun, I again ask that you back up claims made against other posters with evidence
on 10-03-2014 05:21 PM
@boris1gary wrote:
@silverfaun wrote:C&P lectures? we don't need a lecture on hate speech, this being the topic we are already discussing here.
of course not but the op did call Ludlums speech, "hate speech", which it clearly isn't.
truth and slandering other people not a high priority so it appears
on 10-03-2014 05:25 PM
Am, I gather you also remember those appalling comments directed at Mr Abbott and his daughters with specific references to their 'relationship'. I actually do wish I could find those posts.
on 10-03-2014 05:45 PM
on 10-03-2014 05:58 PM
Icyfroth wrote:
Fit what?
The PM's daughters helping him win an election? No way, and I think it's disgusting to imply that, frankly.
If you find it disgusting to imply it ..do you not find the fact that that is what was done disgusting ?
on 10-03-2014 05:59 PM