Violence and binge drinking on the decrease

[donnashuggy]

Well well well 🙂

http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/australias-drunken-teens-have-nothing-on-their-parents?utm_source=vic...

[donnashuggy]

Nobody is trivializing the facts, are you disputing the statistics icy?

[freakiness · Accepted solution]

How would you know who has a family member, relative or friend who's been attacked by some thug?

DOn't assume because people don't agree with you that they have not been affected by the problem.

Further, I'd prefer to blame the offenders rather than punish everyone.  Often the offenders are not even drunk. They might use the steroid type drugs or just be very angry people.

[icyfroth]

I certainly think they're a bit skewed, Donna.

Don't forget a lot of drinkers are also on other substances such as drugs and steroids. It's not all about drunken brawling either, it's about injuries sustained while under the influence, such as motor vehicle accidents, falling, drowning and other misadventure. Not to mention health issues like brain damage, kidney and liver disease, sexually transmitted diseases, the effect on unborn children..

Certainly hard-drinking parents and other adults must share some of the responsibility. How many parents think it's ok to send their children to schoolies week when they know full well what an orgy of drugs drink and sex it can become.

[icyfroth]

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@freakiness wrote:

How would you know who has a family member, relative or friend who's been attacked by some thug?

No I don't, and didn't say I did.

DOn't assume because people don't agree with you that they have not been affected by the problem.

I'm pretty sure everyone has been affected at some stage, that's how widespread the problem of of excess alcohol has become. Everyone is affected in one way or another.

Further, I'd prefer to blame the offenders rather than punish everyone.  Often the offenders are not even drunk. They might use the steroid type drugs or just be very angry people.

Prevention is always better than the cure. Half the time the offender wakes up not even realising what's happened. How much better off would s/he have been if someone had stepped in and stopped them going too far.

It's a duty of care we all have and trivialisation is not helpful.

I have to go BBL.

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[donnashuggy]

Don't forget a lot of drinkers are also on other substances such as drugs and steroids.

precisely, I didn't forget at all.

[debra9275]

They've been talking about increasing overnight public transport here in Melbourne too but I don't see the point if it.

So that people can stay drinking at the clubs all night??

No talk of any earlier closing times .

[freakiness]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@freakiness wrote:

How would you know who has a family member, relative or friend who's been attacked by some thug?

No I don't, and didn't say I did.

It's a duty of care we all have and trivialisation is not helpful.

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Not agreeing with you is not trivialisation.

Would you be so quick to brush it off as inconsequential if one of your own family were to be injured of killed as a result of drunken incident?

That is what you said. And that is what I repleid to.

You have no idea who amongst of us have been in the position where a relative, friend or family member has been seriously injured by a thug.

Education about violence and dealing with the problems of violence will get better results than blaming pub and club opening hours.

[icyfroth]

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@freakiness wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@freakiness wrote:

How would you know who has a family member, relative or friend who's been attacked by some thug?

No I don't, and didn't say I did.

It's a duty of care we all have and trivialisation is not helpful.

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Not agreeing with you is not trivialisation.

Would you be so quick to brush it off as inconsequential if one of your own family were to be injured of killed as a result of drunken incident?

That is what you said. And that is what I repleid to.

You have no idea who amongst of us have been in the position where a relative, friend or family member has been seriously injured by a thug.

Education about violence and dealing with the problems of violence will get better results than blaming pub and club opening hours.

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That's right, and education means parent being good role models, and banning advertising which glamourises drinking and makes it look cool and sociable.

That's a start.

The follow through is earlier closing times, improved public transport, more policing and less availability of alcohol to people under legal drinking age.

Frankly I don't care wether you agree with me or not, freaks. Actually I think you disagree with me on principal anyway, so the point is moot.

I'm simply stating my opinion.

[lakeland27]

you make some good points icy. pity the nsw govt took the claytons option .

[icyfroth]

don't know what happened here, Deb, but to address your question of how increased public transport would help:

It's so people can readily get away when they've finished partying and not be competing for cabs or even attempt to drive themselves.