on 16-04-2020 10:49 AM
Keeping in mind:
Virgin Airlines is basically worthless as per the market price of the holding company that owns it: Virgin Australia Holdings LTD
share price is less than 1 cent ,
compared with Qantas being valued 355x more at $3.55 per share
What about dividends ? none paid , appears never has.
Also a major share holder HNA Group (19.82%) is being nationalised by "CHINA INC" who have the expressed objective of selling all airline assets which would include Virgin Australia Holdings
Somewhat shakey some might say.
so what about worthiness of support , the history ?
Questions of interest .. how did a new airline establish itself after a pioneering Australian airline company on home ground ( Ansett Airways/ Ansett Australia) fail dismally ?
A solution that will placate everyone and result in financially viable trading for all airlines based here is in everyones interest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Australia_Holdings
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Virgin+Australia+holdings+LTD&FORM=ANCMS9&PC=U531
https://www.bing.com/search?q=qantas+shares&FORM=AWRE
on 21-04-2020 10:02 PM
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogespeed wrote:well the CEO is leading the charge from the front " we will be back leaner and meaner "
Obviously high morale with a clear objective to survive
His workers don't seem to have the same level of morale. Maybe because they won't be getting paid, whereas he will undoubtedly have salted enough away to maintain his lifestyle.
Why so ?
on 21-04-2020 10:40 PM
@rogespeed wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogespeed wrote:well the CEO is leading the charge from the front " we will be back leaner and meaner "
Obviously high morale with a clear objective to survive
His workers don't seem to have the same level of morale. Maybe because they won't be getting paid, whereas he will undoubtedly have salted enough away to maintain his lifestyle.
Why so ?
I don't know. Maybe because the economic fallout will impact the workers far more than the executives.
You are the one who, on the sayso of the CEO, said morale is high. The TV news interviews of the workers certainly don't show a high level of morale.
So why do YOU think morale is high? Except for the CEO, who has to say that or he's out of a job.
on 21-04-2020 11:14 PM
on 22-04-2020 06:57 PM
Coronavirus forced Virgin Australia into voluntary administration. Here's how the airline began
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-22/coronavirus-virgin-australia-airline-history/12165130
maybe its khama?
on 22-04-2020 09:00 PM
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogespeed wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogespeed wrote:well the CEO is leading the charge from the front " we will be back leaner and meaner "
Obviously high morale with a clear objective to survive
His workers don't seem to have the same level of morale. Maybe because they won't be getting paid, whereas he will undoubtedly have salted enough away to maintain his lifestyle.
Why so ?
I don't know. Maybe because the economic fallout will impact the workers far more than the executives.
You are the one who, on the sayso of the CEO, said morale is high. The TV news interviews of the workers certainly don't show a high level of morale.
So why do YOU think morale is high? Except for the CEO, who has to say that or he's out of a job.
You obviously still have not figured out that the difference between those of different disposable incomes is mainly the quality of the objects of expenditure not any tendency to " salt away enough to maintain his lifestyle" , that statement I found a curiously flippant
And to bounce back onto me my comment regarding " level of morale" as some sort of implied justification for your disparaging comment as if I , or anyone else, somehow determines your attitude and chronic sneering comments is astonishing
Anyhow morale should be relatively good because Virgin Australia Airways provides an essential service and so this disturbance in addition to the viral pest related cash flow issue should be considered a process of " Australianisation" rather than insolvency, as regardless of who , the services currently rendered will surely continue to be required, that means planes and pilots etc
As for Virgin Australia Holdings ( Command and control and financing ) - a possibly more vexing issue for them
22-04-2020 10:07 PM - edited 22-04-2020 10:07 PM
As I said, the employees on TV didn't seem to have high morale, so your supposition is, at best, optimistic.
A CEO earning multi-millions of dollars per annum is much more likely to have enough reserves to maintain their lifestyle than a worker on award wages. Who won't be being paid if Virgin go belly up. And a leaner Virgin means that many of them will be unemployed.
My point is backed up, at least in part, by facts.
Yours is backed up by a CEO's spin.
22-04-2020 10:57 PM - edited 22-04-2020 10:59 PM
@davewil1964 wrote:As I said, the employees on TV didn't seem to have high morale, so your supposition is, at best, optimistic.
A CEO earning multi-millions of dollars per annum is much more likely to have enough reserves to maintain their lifestyle than a worker on award wages. Who won't be being paid if Virgin go belly up. And a leaner Virgin means that many of them will be unemployed.
My point is backed up, at least in part, by facts.
Yours is backed up by a CEO's spin.
You mistake being upset with degree of morale , which is simplistic
My supposition was based upon the public image of the company employees - and as I mentioned if the proceedings have as an objective " Austalianisation" rather than insolvency then they have continued reason to have a bright future
Whether wealthy or struggle E-lister people tend to live within their means without much in reserve relatively speaking - the wealthy have ongoing overheads that the poorer can not afford - so was clearly trite your sweeping assumption of somehow shady of intent extravagant cash reserves ( not anyones business anyhow)
Staff will get what they are entitled to but as is an essential service i can confidently say that many jobs with be preserved if they keep their cool ( maybe a different airline company but someone has to do the work)
' leaner" another presumption of yours - who can say not , that if in the end the new organisation expands operations then likely more efficient ( as I suspect is top heavy) but in the end the same number or even more employed. ? Why limit the possibilities with a negative assumption ?
You said nothing that was backed by facts - only your interpretation of viewing fleeting TV reports
The CEO has good cause to be optimistic - unlike you I have lived through a similar multi-national company implosion , with similar operating dynamics and Govt / company influences , so I have a little experience to read between the lines and so easily entertain some of the possibilities
on 22-04-2020 11:23 PM
@rogespeed wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:As I said, the employees on TV didn't seem to have high morale, so your supposition is, at best, optimistic.
A CEO earning multi-millions of dollars per annum is much more likely to have enough reserves to maintain their lifestyle than a worker on award wages. Who won't be being paid if Virgin go belly up. And a leaner Virgin means that many of them will be unemployed.
My point is backed up, at least in part, by facts.
Yours is backed up by a CEO's spin.
You mistake being upset with degree of morale , which is simplistic
My supposition was based upon the public image of the company employees - and as I mentioned if the proceedings have as an objective " Austalianisation" rather than insolvency then they have continued reason to have a bright future
Whether wealthy or struggle E-lister people tend to live within their means without much in reserve relatively speaking - the wealthy have ongoing overheads that the poorer can not afford - so was clearly trite your sweeping assumption of somehow shady of intent extravagant cash reserves ( not anyones business anyhow)
Staff will get what they are entitled to but as is an essential service i can confidently say that many jobs with be preserved if they keep their cool ( maybe a different airline company but someone has to do the work)
' leaner" another presumption of yours - who can say not , that if in the end the new organisation expands operations then likely more efficient ( as I suspect is top heavy) but in the end the same number or even more employed. ? Why limit the possibilities with a negative assumption ?
You said nothing that was backed by facts - only your interpretation of viewing fleeting TV reports
The CEO has good cause to be optimistic - unlike you I have lived through a similar multi-national company implosion , with similar operating dynamics and Govt / company influences , so I have a little experience to read between the lines and so easily entertain some of the possibilities
FGS.
Really? How can you confidently say that drivel? Are youy a major Virgihn shareholder? As per usual, you equate your thought bubbles with reality.
Leaner means smaller, means less employees. Even you should be able to understand that.
Workers on TV begging for their jobs DOES equate to low morale.
I realise you've never had a job and don't understand how lack of job security impacts on morale.
on 23-04-2020 11:46 AM
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogespeed wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:As I said, the employees on TV didn't seem to have high morale, so your supposition is, at best, optimistic.
A CEO earning multi-millions of dollars per annum is much more likely to have enough reserves to maintain their lifestyle than a worker on award wages. Who won't be being paid if Virgin go belly up. And a leaner Virgin means that many of them will be unemployed.
My point is backed up, at least in part, by facts.
Yours is backed up by a CEO's spin.
You mistake being upset with degree of morale , which is simplistic
My supposition was based upon the public image of the company employees - and as I mentioned if the proceedings have as an objective " Austalianisation" rather than insolvency then they have continued reason to have a bright future
Whether wealthy or struggle E-lister people tend to live within their means without much in reserve relatively speaking - the wealthy have ongoing overheads that the poorer can not afford - so was clearly trite your sweeping assumption of somehow shady of intent extravagant cash reserves ( not anyones business anyhow)
Staff will get what they are entitled to but as is an essential service i can confidently say that many jobs with be preserved if they keep their cool ( maybe a different airline company but someone has to do the work)
' leaner" another presumption of yours - who can say not , that if in the end the new organisation expands operations then likely more efficient ( as I suspect is top heavy) but in the end the same number or even more employed. ? Why limit the possibilities with a negative assumption ?
You said nothing that was backed by facts - only your interpretation of viewing fleeting TV reports
The CEO has good cause to be optimistic - unlike you I have lived through a similar multi-national company implosion , with similar operating dynamics and Govt / company influences , so I have a little experience to read between the lines and so easily entertain some of the possibilities
FGS.
Really? How can you confidently say that drivel? Are youy a major Virgihn shareholder? As per usual, you equate your thought bubbles with reality.
Leaner means smaller, means less employees. Even you should be able to understand that.
Workers on TV begging for their jobs DOES equate to low morale.
I realise you've never had a job and don't understand how lack of job security impacts on morale.
Just a ten year career working for a large multinational.... and your grounds for your preposterous " realisation" that I have never had a job nor suffered job insecurity - or is rational thinking not part of your narcissist like thought processes ?
As for your obsession with " leaner" somehow inferring grossly less employees - if you had worked within a dynamic large company you would recognise that leaner means better efficiency which should lead to greater productivity , cheaper prices or better quality , greater market share , increased production , more employees
To reiterate I suspect Virgin Australia Airlines is an very efficient company based upon my understanding of their miraculous first 10 years of operations , keeping in mind the fate of Ansett which was still operating
As for the parent holding company Virgin Australia Holdings - they totally controlled the airline service , so to them the questions
on 05-05-2020 10:58 AM
well I am out of ideas , what is commercial interest on AU$7,000,000,000 debt ?