Was Jesus Christ Perfect?

[the_bob_delusion]

What do you think? Was everything he did or said moral/ethical and a reflection of a perfect person?

What would a perfect person entail?

If he really was human, then was he born in sin like everyone else?

[cueperkins]

rabbit&bandicoot, if you're going to throw bible verse around, don't you reckon you should know which one you're throwing?  BTW, It's Matthew 24, you're using as a self righteous weapon and it actually goes more like this:  

"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"  

 It goes on, to speak of the signs of the end and warns against listening to False Prophets.  Lots of them around these days, that's for sure.  You know, the ones who run around proclaiming they have the only truth & everybody else is wrong? 

Meanwhile 1 Corinthians - warns that 'the Mind of man Cannot conceive that which is his God', (or words to that effect), =so don't try in other words. Be Meek...remember? = 'Unassuming, 'as a child'.  

Why then do so many so called Christians choose to ignore all of that and push their brand of 'RELIGION' onto everyone else around them?  According to God, they have no idea what they're talking about anyway.....= arrogant at the very least - False Prophets in fact.

& meanwhile if we're all made in the image of God, then wouldn't that include ALL OF US?  Not just Christians?  As Ghandi once eloquently put it..."God has no religion".

One of my neighbours bleats on like this all the time - saying things like 'There is Only one True God'.....(hers of course), to which I often quip....."And you of course are the only person on earth who can coneive that which is your God".  Crikey, must be one of them darn False Prophets. !!! 

No wonder Monty Python paid out on Christianity - If we're made in Gods image, then you could safely assume he'd have a sense of humour at least....lmao - or is that the Dark side of the Force ?  Anything a Religious Zealot doesn't agree with seems to be dubbed 'the Devils Work'.  Convenient right?  That's not being Christian, it's being manipulative. (not referring to you R&B, but Christianity itself)

I'm not a Christian type, needing a religion to hang my spirituality on...whether you believe in the teachings of Christ or not, Spirituality is a Personal thing.   Religion is the institution of man, not God.  Best Christians try to understand that before the Temple falls down on their head.

[crystal-gems]

Anonymous by Rev.Sydney Carter

The Jesus who

Keeps saying “I am Jesus,

‘Look at me,

There is no substitute”

Is an imposter.

Do not trust

The Christian cult of

Personality.

I came

To turn you on and not

To turn you off,

To make you free and not

To tie you up.

My yoke was easy and

My burden light

Until they made

Salvation copyright, and

All in the name of Jesus.

So forget

My name was ever Jesus,

From now on

I am anonymous.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

"rabbit&bandicoot, if you're going to throw bible verse around, don't you reckon you should know which one you're throwing?  BTW, It's Matthew 24, you're using as a self righteous weapon"

NOT EVEN CLOSE.  There are several scriptures but for future reference I'll just give you 3.

2 Timothy
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

Acts 2
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

2 Peter 3:3-4
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

And, I also agree with you that organised religion has been the worst thing for Christianity.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

"One of my neighbours bleats on like this all the time - saying things like 'There is Only one True God'....."

I agree with that sentiment, but The One True God is available to ALL. Some call him Allah, Jehovah, Yahweh and some just call him God. 

[crystal-gems]

I thought this thread was about JESUS, not god.

[godsandmen]

More about Paul:

Paul never mentions the gospels. If the gospels existed during his time, he surely would have  mentioned them. But the puzzle of Paul is much bigger than that. There are 13 letters attributed to Paul in the New Testament. Romans and 1 Corinthians are very long and were written to teach people about the Gospel. But in all of Paul's long letters there is almost nothing about the life of Jesus. Paul knew that Jesus had been crucified, but he never mentions any miracles, any parables, any exorcisms. He never mentions the Lord's Prayer, the Transfiguration, the Sermon on the Mount, Mary, Joseph, Bethlehem, the three Wise Men, Herod's Slaughter of the Innocents, Galilee, Nazareth, Pontius Pilate, Judas Iscariot, Gethsemane, Calvary, the Temptation by Satan etc etc.

Either Paul did not know much at all about the life of Jesus, or he didn't care. Paul only cared about his "cosmic Christ". The actual flesh and blood Jesus, if there was one, he didn't care about at all. Not only that, but he had nothing but contempt for James, Peter, and the rest of the people who actually knew the flesh and blood Jesus.

Of course, another option is simply that the later gospel accounts of the life of Jesus are fiction, which also would explain why Paul knew nothing of the stories contained in them.

Paul's almost total ignorance about the life of Jesus has puzzled scholars for hundreds of years. Apologists try all kinds of things to make it look like Paul really did know about Jesus, but their efforts always fail.

It's bizarre really. It was Paul, not Jesus, who founded Christianity as we know it. Paul's view of salvation is diametrically opposed to that of the synoptic gospels. Yet Paul's version eventually won out. Modern evangelical Christianity is not the stuff that Jesus taught, but Paul. It really should be called "Paulianity". Evangelical Christianity was ultimately founded by a guy who either didn't know of didn't care about the actual historical Jesus. Crazy but true.

[the_bob_delusion]

More about Paul:

Paul never mentions the gospels. If the gospels existed during his time, he surely would have  mentioned them. But the puzzle of Paul is much bigger than that. There are 13 letters attributed to Paul in the New Testament. Romans and 1 Corinthians are very long and were written to teach people about the Gospel. But in all of Paul's long letters there is almost nothing about the life of Jesus. Paul knew that Jesus had been crucified, but he never mentions any miracles, any parables, any exorcisms. He never mentions the Lord's Prayer, the Transfiguration, the Sermon on the Mount, Mary, Joseph, Bethlehem, the three Wise Men, Herod's Slaughter of the Innocents, Galilee, Nazareth, Pontius Pilate, Judas Iscariot, Gethsemane, Calvary, the Temptation by Satan etc etc.

Either Paul did not know much at all about the life of Jesus, or he didn't care. Paul only cared about his "cosmic Christ". The actual flesh and blood Jesus, if there was one, he didn't care about at all. Not only that, but he had nothing but contempt for James, Peter, and the rest of the people who actually knew the flesh and blood Jesus.

Of course, another option is simply that the later gospel accounts of the life of Jesus are fiction, which also would explain why Paul knew nothing of the stories contained in them.

Paul's almost total ignorance about the life of Jesus has puzzled scholars for hundreds of years. Apologists try all kinds of things to make it look like Paul really did know about Jesus, but their efforts always fail.

It's bizarre really. It was Paul, not Jesus, who founded Christianity as we know it. Paul's view of salvation is diametrically opposed to that of the synoptic gospels. Yet Paul's version eventually won out. Modern evangelical Christianity is not the stuff that Jesus taught, but Paul. It really should be called "Paulianity". Evangelical Christianity was ultimately founded by a guy who either didn't know of didn't care about the actual historical Jesus. Crazy but true.

I noticed that too Godsman, Paul knew v. little about Jesus life and so many important things you think he would've at least mentioned. 

Well Christianitiy boomed almost entirely because the Emperor Constantine decided to make CHristianity the official religion of the roman empire. 

I've often heard the argument that because Christianity spread so rapidly it must be true. Just think about how quickly a rumour spreads. You can also argue that Islam must be true because it's the fastest growing religion. 

[godsandmen]

Actually it's a myth that Christianity grew so fast. In fact, it grew at about the same rate as any new cult grows. Mormonism and Islam both grew much faster. Even at the time of Constantine only 10% of the population were Christian. If it weren't for Constantine, it may have eventually died out. It certainly would never have become the worldwide powerhouse it is now.

[**meep**]

Consider yourself special, Gods, Bob doesn't usually read posts containing more than 100 words 🙂

[crystal-gems]

Godsandmen, it's nice to see some logical thought and research applied to this subject.