on 19-02-2013 10:57 AM
DUTCH politician Geert Wilders is creating waves – and he has yet to hold a single public meeting in Australia.
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/
http://www.qsociety.org.au/
The taxpayer-funded multicultural channel SBS gave what it would think was a lengthy interview with Wilders last night and the taxpayer-funded ABC provided a shorter and very slanted interview with anti-Wilders protesters.
But his message cut through strongly - Islamists make poor migrants in Western liberal democracies.
We need to hear his message and think about what our misguided multicultural policy has wrought here.
Coincidentally, almost exactly a year ago The Economist magazine examined the effect of Islamic migration in the Nordic nations and the picture was not pretty.
In Sweden, it found that despite the best efforts of the Swedish state, the city of Malmo is a no-go zone with a 62 per cent rate of unemployment.
Angry (Muslim) youths have taken to rioting, torching bicycle sheds and recycling centres as well as cars.
Mass immigration, the magazine said, is posing serious problems for the region. For the Nordic countries to be able to afford their welfare states they need to have 80% of their adults in the workforce, but labour-force participation among non-European immigrants is much lower than that.
In Sweden only 51% of non-Europeans have a job, compared with over 84% of native Swedes. The Nordic countries need to persuade their citizens that they are getting a good return on their taxes, but mass immigration is creating a class of people who are permanently dependent on the state.
In the mid-1990s immigrants in their 40s—the age group that generally contributes most to the public budget—paid only marginally more in taxes than they received in benefits.
In Sweden 26 per cent of all prisoners, and 50 per cent of prisoners serving more than five years, are foreigners.
Some 46 per cent of the jobless are non-Europeans, and 40 per cent of non-Europeans are classified as poor, compared with only 10 per cent of native Swedes.
High immigration is threatening the principle of redistribution that is at the heart of the welfare state.
Income inequalities in the Nordic countries are generally lower than elsewhere, but Matz Dahlberg, of Uppsala University, reckons that immigration is making people less willing to support redistribution.
Immigration is also causing culture clashes.
Nordics fervently believe in liberal values, especially sexual equality and freedom of speech, but many of the immigrants come from countries where men and women are segregated and criticising the prophet Muhammad is a serious offence.
Peaceful Denmark found itself on the front-line of the culture wars when Jyllands-Posten, a newspaper, published cartoons making fun of Muhammad.
Immigration has divided the Nordics.
The Economist said the Swedes regard their open-armed approach to asylum-seekers as an expression of what is best in their culture.
The Danes revisited their immigration policies in 1999, spurred by the rise of the anti-immigrant Danish People’s Party.
They tightened the rules for family reunification, made it more difficult for newcomers to claim benefits and set up an integration ministry.
Today Denmark receives more non-European immigrants than ever, but it has radically reduced the number of refugees while increasing the number of people on student and work visas.
Liberals are increasingly on the defensive.
The number of immigration-related attacks is rising.
In 2010 Taimour Abdulwahab al-Abdaly blew himself up in the middle of a crowd of Christmas shoppers in central Stockholm; remarkably, he managed to injure only a couple of people.
Wilders has seen the problems arise in his native Netherlands and is here to warn Australians of the failure of multiculturalism.
He has travelled extensively in the Middle East and was invited by US politicians to address them.
Political correctness is so rife in Australia that former Immigration Minister Bowen stalled attempts to bring him here last year though Islamist hate speech imams appear to enter Australia and hold rallies at will.
What is good for hate-filled Islamists should be good enough for a Dutch MP and leader of the third largest political party in the Netherlands.
Wilders deserves support, his message needs to be heard – debate on this issue is more urgent than ever.
Yet the Q Society http://www.qsociety.org.au/ which brought him to Australia has had difficulty finding a venue and locations for his addresses must be kept secret until the last moment to make it more difficult for the protesters to disrupt those who wish to hear him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_Society_of_Australia
This is what multiculturalism has reduced our once liberal democracy to.
Where once we used to pride ourselves on free speech we now need to hide champions of freedom from the bullies and thugs who don’t want or cannot debate its virtues.
Shame upon the nation.
on 20-02-2013 10:14 PM
I don't particularly want to get into that. My opinion I expressed earlier regarding the double standards is not likely to change in the near future.
on 20-02-2013 10:35 PM
Really? Can you post some details on this? I am only aware of 2 very serious charges.
Obviously my comment wasn't meant to be literal.
He's just the latest nutcase that has appearred in the last year or so. A more dangerous one because he is a convert to radical islam from christianity. Most converts are more zealous I find.
But anyone in this country (of any religion) who is as outspoken as he has been in the last year will attract the immediate attention of the AFP. And they will arrest him on whatever charge will stick.
He is free to preach his ideals.
To an extent and only within the boundares of the law. And he has already overstepped the boundary and will be arrested at every opportunity that the law is broken. But he is fairly new to the anti-Western routine so I am sure he will go the way of others before him. Like Sheikh Feiz Muhammad.
Do you know what they are?
I am sure I know about as much as you do. I don't understand the point of the question.?:|
on 20-02-2013 10:50 PM
I am sure I know about as much as you do. I don't understand the point of the question.?:|
The point of the question was for you to explain why you think Wilders' lectures are/should be considered illegal in comparison with what seems to be acceptable. Does that makes sense?
on 20-02-2013 10:57 PM
But are you saying that the two radical islamists are accepted? No way are they accepted in this country by the law, by ordinary australians or by their own communities.
Hate speech and speech that incites racism is illegal in this country. We don't accept it from our own so why would we accept an extremist from another country?
Whether the extremist is islamic or christian makes no difference. We didn't allow Abdur Green in the country a decade ago because his views were unnacceptable to our laws. Green. Wilders. They are doing the same thing - and neither should be given a voice.
on 21-02-2013 01:43 PM
Thank you 🙂
although I fail to see how hostile comments said to me, get me the mail. Very odd.......
on 21-02-2013 02:28 PM
Thank you 🙂
although I fail to see how hostile comments said to me, get me the mail. Very odd.......
that is the new normal..
this article relates to geeert and liberal senator Cory Bernardi, who is a major player in geeert circles http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/20/bernardi-v-fairfax-in-possible-defamation-battle/
on 21-02-2013 02:38 PM
that is the new normal..
this article relates to geeert and liberal senator Cory Bernardi, who is a major player in geeert circles http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/20/bernardi-v-fairfax-in-possible-defamation-battle/
foot in mouth Bernardi?
on 21-02-2013 02:51 PM
although I fail to see how hostile comments said to me, get me the mail. Very odd.......
I got mail for quoting a hostile post that was directed at me. I questioned how I can be slapped for hostility when the hostility was towards me and was told it didn't matter - a hostile comment is a hostile comment regardless of who it is directed at.
So you could call yourself a 'stupid idiot' and get slapped!
on 21-02-2013 02:54 PM
:^O I guess so.....
on 21-02-2013 02:59 PM
OK.. I will jump into this argument... I have not read half the posts here.... sorry... but I agree with just about all that this man is talking about.
Firstly he is not being racist... you can't be racist against a religion... it is a fact that Muslims believe that Islam should be the religion of the world, that they are correct and that no other religion is right. They do want to populate the world and make it all ruled by Islam.
Extremism is rife in the Islamist way of life... have a look at how the extremists go about their business with bombs and attacks on those that do not live the way they think they should live. No, not all muslims are like that but as there is no one head of the so called "church" of Islam there is no one body that guides them. The local Imam can interpret the text any way he likes and preach to his "flock"
There is a danger in that type of situation.... have a look at the way the young men behaved in Sydney during those little riots that we had not that long ago.... that type of behaviour is always going to be a threat to our society now.
As for Geert's opinion on multiculturalism... he is spot on there... it does not always work... it is a dangerous line to walk if you do not get the right kind of multiculturalism.
On one side you can have a respect for your culture and your heritage but I think that when you move to country you need to leave your old life behind and embrace the culture of the new country.
If you encourage multiculturalism in the wrong way you can end up with enclaves that look, feel and act like another country. It happened in England where there are suburbs that people fear to go if they are not dressed in full head gear and walk ten paces behind your husband.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw2w7ACogaY