Well That's Not Fair Either!

[icyfroth]

A Muslim community leader in Australia has come out against the country's ban on Australians fighting in Syria or Iraq, while it allows them to join the Israel Defense Forces. President of the Lebanese Muslim Association Samier Dandan said it was "not fair" that Australians who fight in Syria or Iraq can face prosecution on their return home. Those who fight in the IDF should face prosecution, too, he said, according to Australian media reports. http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.607569#! I didn't even realise that was happening until I read it in the leftie newspaper the other day.

[azureline**]

and I agree, they both should face charges.

[raptor_rebooted]

Australians can engage in armed service with other government forces without needing to worry about being charged. So Australians could fight with the Israeli Defence Force or in the Italian armed forces, for example, without needing to worry about legal action.

If an Australian citizen enters a foreign country intending to engage in hostile activity on behalf of armed forces that are not part of the foreign government, they could be charged. They can also be charged for intentionally supporting these hostile activities. The type of support can include preparations by training or drilling, accumulating arms or giving money for goods that could be used to support incursions. It can also include giving money to people or associations that may be intending to engage in hostilities.

Crimes (Incursions and Recruitment) Act

[the_great_she_elephant]

Australians can engage in armed service with other government forces without needing to worry about being charged. So Australians could fight with the Israeli Defence Force or in the Italian armed forces, for example, without needing to worry about legal action.

So presumably fighting for Hamas would be OK, since Hamas is the elected Government of Gaza.

[k0llectable5]

I too cant believe that is happening Icy.

What Australian in the right mind would want to go and fight in the IDF?  Do they need extra help killing the unarmend population in Gaza of which 43% are children under the age of 17. Thats just shameful IMO.

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[the_great_she_elephant]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Australians can engage in armed service with other government forces without needing to worry about being charged. So Australians could fight with the Israeli Defence Force or in the Italian armed forces, for example, without needing to worry about legal action.

So presumably fighting for Hamas would be OK, since Hamas is the elected Government of Gaza.

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I guess they are allowed to fight in Syria, too - as long as they are fighting for Assad.

[raptor_rebooted]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Australians can engage in armed service with other government forces without needing to worry about being charged. So Australians could fight with the Israeli Defence Force or in the Italian armed forces, for example, without needing to worry about legal action.

So presumably fighting for Hamas would be OK, since Hamas is the elected Government of Gaza.

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you will find that a military wing of hamas is listed

as a terrorist organisation (considering its objectives/activities)

so no i cant see how that would be be ok  http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Listedterroristorganisations/Pages/default.aspx

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Australians can engage in armed service with other government forces without needing to worry about being charged. So Australians could fight with the Israeli Defence Force or in the Italian armed forces, for example, without needing to worry about legal action.

So presumably fighting for Hamas would be OK, since Hamas is the elected Government of Gaza.

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you will find that a military wing of hamas is listed

as a terrorist organisation (considering its objectives/activities)

so no i cant see how that would be be ok  http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Listedterroristorganisations/Pages/default.aspx

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Australians can engage in armed service with other government forces without needing to worry about being charged.

Hamas is the elected Government of Gaza.  (all Governments re equal, but some are more equal than others?)

[azureline**]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

I too cant believe that is happening Icy.

What Australian in the right mind would want to go and fight in the IDF?  Do they need extra help killing the unarmend population in Gaza of which 43% are children under the age of 17. Thats just shameful IMO.

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One who has family in that country? neither side appears to be innocent in this.

[raptor_rebooted]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Australians can engage in armed service with other government forces without needing to worry about being charged. So Australians could fight with the Israeli Defence Force or in the Italian armed forces, for example, without needing to worry about legal action.

So presumably fighting for Hamas would be OK, since Hamas is the elected Government of Gaza.

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you will find that a military wing of hamas is listed

as a terrorist organisation (considering its objectives/activities)

so no i cant see how that would be be ok  http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Listedterroristorganisations/Pages/default.aspx

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Australians can engage in armed service with other government forces without needing to worry about being charged.

Hamas is the elected Government of Gaza.  (all Governments re equal, but some are more equal than others?)

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as said earlier  the military wing (izz ad din al qassam brigades)

is listed as a terrorist organisation in australia (and the uk, european union, usa)

it is more complex in that:

Despite being Hamas’s military wing and subordinate to Hamas’s ideological objectives, the Brigades are structured as a distinct and discrete organisation which can survive the dissolution of Hamas’s political structures. Accordingly, the Brigades operate with a significant degree of independence in their decision making.

more info here: http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Listedterroristorganisations/Pages/HamassIzzal-Dinal-QassamBrigad...

and the process of listing a terrorist organisation in aus http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Listedterroristorganisations/Pages/ProtocolForListingTerroristOrg... also crimes (foreign incurssions and recruitemen) act 1978   http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2005C00715

hope this helps