What About The Children?

[the_great_she_elephant]

I am amazed and disgusted that in all the indignation over what Gillian Triggs should or shouldn't have done or who said or didn't say what to her, not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN  except, finally, Malcolm Turnbull, has commented in any way on the contents of her report..

She found that  over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalition governments  there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault. 

If these findings are true - and as far as I know nobody has so far disputed them -   then what is going to be done about it? Who had the duty of care? who is going to be held responsible. What measures are going to be put in place to stop this abuse happening in future?

Both Gillian Triggs and George Brandis are astute and comparitively wealthy adults able to instruct top  legal practitioners to protect their reputaions - but who is going to protect the safety of these children? How many more children have been abused since March 2014? Is a child perhaps being abused in a detention centre  even while you are reading this post? 

Surely to goodness after all that was learned from the Children In Care Royal Commission this report cannot simply be put in a "don't want to know" basket while both sides of Pariament try to gain political mileage out the motives of the Human Rghts Commissioner or the behaviour of the Attourney General.

At some point -though probably not in the lifetime of this government  or even  the one that follows it - there will inevitably be a Royal Commission into the treatment of children in detention centre. what do you imagine its findings are likely to be?

[village_person]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

She found that  over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalition governments  there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault. 

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The terms of reference for HRC's enquiry:

Terms of Reference for the inquiry

The President will inquire into the impact of immigration detention on the health, well-being and development of children. The President will assess whether laws, policies and practices relating to children in immigration detention meet Australia’s international human rights obligations, with particular attention to: 

• the appropriateness of facilities in which children are detained;
• the impact of the length of detention on children;
• measures to ensure the safety of children;
• provision of education, recreation, maternal and infant health services;
• the separation of families across detention facilities in Australia;
• the guardianship of unaccompanied children in detention in Australia;
• assessments conducted prior to transferring children to be detained in ‘regional processing countries’; and
• progress that has been made during the 10 years since the Commission’s 2004 report: A last resort? National Inquiry into Children in Immigration Detention.

‘Children’ means any person under the age of 18. Community detention is not part of the scope of this inquiry.

It is common knowledge that inbound queue jumpers jettison their documentation so how many of these 'children' were under the age of 18? How did they prove their age?

Commissioner Triggs is not shy when it comes to straying outside her bailiwick so we must admire her forbearance when she failed to comment on the fitness of 266 perpetrators of assault or sexual assault to have their applications for asylum considered. Surely her conclusion at the end of her enquiry should have read something like 'under no circumstances should the perpetrators of assault be granted asylum'. She is concerned about the safety of children isn't she? What if one of these perpetrators continues his or her abuse should they be granted asylum or refugee status? Maybe it was the Commissioner's acrasia that stifled her.

[vicr3000]

Village

If this was in the report "Surely her conclusion at the end of her enquiry should have read something like 'under no circumstances should the perpetrators of assault be granted asylum'. "

Sarah Hanson Young, Julian Burnside and a heap of others would be up in arms if they were denied asylum for that reason

and would spend copious amounts of the Gov'ts money lodging appeal after appeal with feeble excuses as to why they

should be granted asylum.

[village_person]

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@vicr3000 wrote:

Village

If this was in the report "Surely her conclusion at the end of her enquiry should have read something like 'under no circumstances should the perpetrators of assault be granted asylum'. "

Sarah Hanson Young, Julian Burnside and a heap of others would be up in arms if they were denied asylum for that reason

and would spend copious amounts of the Gov'ts money lodging appeal after appeal with feeble excuses as to why they

should be granted asylum.

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I hear you v3000 10x10. We can only conclude that assualt, common, serious, or sexual is acceptable so why the need to even mention it in her report.

Strike out all reference to 233 assults and 33 sexual assualts.

[myoclon1cjerk]

Yeah right,sweep it all under the carpet.

[idlewhile]

This is not really about  children otherwise Triggs would have initiated this inquiry when thousands of kids were in detention.

Triggs has been exposed for her partisan and biased leftist views and the left don't like it, she canvassed 2 Labor ministers as to when would it be a good idea to run this inquiry?? hello!!

It's never been beneath the Labor party or its adherents to use children as a political pawn like they used handicapped people and any other person they think can further their objectives.

Like using children on front line picket lines being terrified.

So now the mealy mouth weasel words are being trotted out. "its about the children" what about children drowning, dashed to death on rocks right before our eyes, where was Triggs then?

 Only 10% of the number of  children in detention now compared to the numbers  under Labor.

So don't try to talk about "the children" when the leftists on here never uttered a word before, never murmured when Rudd and Gillard opened up our borders to the death and destruction of families for 6 years.

[vicr3000]

At the end of the day, their is not a damn thing she can do about any of it.

The number of times in the report words along the lines of those below is staggering.
if they had just listed it at the top once.

Their are more words to do with the "Convention on the Rights of the Child" than on the actual abuse cases that occurred.

Minimum standards for the protection of children in detention

are set out in the Convention on the Rights of the Child

These standards include:

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Children in detention should be treated with humanity and respect;

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Children have a right to remain with their parents (unless contrary to their best interests), and to

have their family protected from arbitrary or unlawful interference;

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Children should not suffer torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment; and

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Children should be protected from all forms of physical or mental violence, injury or abuse while

in the care of parents, legal guardians or any other person that has the care of the children."

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 The failure of the Commonwealth to remove unaccompanied children from detention environments which

  inhibit recovery from past trauma is a breach of the Convention on the Rights of the Child article:

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34: States Parties undertake to protect the child from all forms of sexual exploitation and sexual abuse.

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States have an obligation to take all appropriate measures to protect children from all forms of physical or

mental violence, injury or abuse, neglect or negligent treatment, maltreatment or exploitation that includes

sexual abuse (Article 19 Convention on the Rights of the Child)

[gleee58]

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@idlewhile wrote:

This is not really about  children otherwise Triggs would have initiated this inquiry when thousands of kids were in detention.

So don't try to talk about "the children" when the leftists on here never uttered a word before, never murmured when Rudd and Gillard opened up our borders to the death and destruction of families for 6 years. 

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That is patently incorrect.  

Why do you tell lies about Triggs and the AHRC instead of looking at the facts?

Links to the facts have been posted in this thread.

[vicr3000]

Glee

You wants facts.

Here are the basic, absolutely raw facts.

"We wouldn't be in this mess if the Rudd (and Gillard) hadn't dismantled Howards system and allowed the flood

of Asylum Seekers to arrive.

No arrivals, no need for detention, no one in detention, no child abuse. Simple."

And I'll add, we wouldnt have had any drownings either, 1200 of them !

[vicr3000]

Agree Joono, I learned from others on here who just C&P and don't discuss.

Yes, there is a problem, don't disagree with that.

The two things we have ponted out is how it has been highlighted - I don't need to go into more detail on that - and the total denial of what I have said above, that it all could have easily been avoided then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I'll say one thing. Right wingers do not like being dictated or lectured to by Human Rightists. That is where I think HR's

need to look at how messages are delivered because the way the UN HCR, the AHCR and Amnesty deliver messages

means that nothing gets changed and Gov'ts just switch off. This Gov't doesn't even bother to acknowledge the UN HCR

anymore. That says a lot.

Just my HO.

Oh, and Icy's post was perfectly valid.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

This is not really about  children otherwise Triggs would have initiated this inquiry when thousands of kids were in detention.

So don't try to talk about "the children" when the leftists on here never uttered a word before, never murmured when Rudd and Gillard opened up our borders to the death and destruction of families for 6 years. 

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That is patently incorrect.  

Why do you tell lies about Triggs and the AHRC instead of looking at the facts?

Links to the facts have been posted in this thread.

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I give up.

So much has been posted on this thread that debunks the ridiculous statements made and yet the same ridiculous and incorrect remarks keep being made over and over.

Do  people actually READ anything? Or do you think that all the info you could ever possibly need is provided for you in incorrect but easy to digest gulps of info from the shock jocks?

It just shows what little thought processing is actually happening.

Thank goodness we are the 'lucky country' cause we sure as hell aren't an intelligent country.

And of course the heartbreaking thing is that all this garbage that keeps being repeated does NOTHING to help those poor munchkins still being held in their prisons.