What About The Children?

[the_great_she_elephant]

I am amazed and disgusted that in all the indignation over what Gillian Triggs should or shouldn't have done or who said or didn't say what to her, not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN  except, finally, Malcolm Turnbull, has commented in any way on the contents of her report..

She found that  over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalition governments  there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault. 

If these findings are true - and as far as I know nobody has so far disputed them -   then what is going to be done about it? Who had the duty of care? who is going to be held responsible. What measures are going to be put in place to stop this abuse happening in future?

Both Gillian Triggs and George Brandis are astute and comparitively wealthy adults able to instruct top  legal practitioners to protect their reputaions - but who is going to protect the safety of these children? How many more children have been abused since March 2014? Is a child perhaps being abused in a detention centre  even while you are reading this post? 

Surely to goodness after all that was learned from the Children In Care Royal Commission this report cannot simply be put in a "don't want to know" basket while both sides of Pariament try to gain political mileage out the motives of the Human Rghts Commissioner or the behaviour of the Attourney General.

At some point -though probably not in the lifetime of this government  or even  the one that follows it - there will inevitably be a Royal Commission into the treatment of children in detention centre. what do you imagine its findings are likely to be?

[gleee58]

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@vicr3000 wrote:



Time stamp ? It was later on. If you want the timestamp, you can watch the video again.


I am not interested in watching someone 'play' to the media like she was doing.

She should be an actor.

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The accusation was made that she played to the camera. How can you justify such an accusation while at the same time refusing to watch the opening statement to see for yourself?

[i-need-a-martini]

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@poddster wrote:

It seems to me that this is not about the abuse of children in or out of detention.

It has to do with yet another onslaught of "government in power" bashing.

The current government have implemented a successful policy to quench the influx of illegal immigrants, which is opposite to the previous government's policy and the members of the previous government do not like to be shown up as having been ineffectual.

All this kerflufle about the children of non citizens, yet there is very little said or done about the ill treatment on children who are Australian

The righteously indignant should get their priorities in correct order.

Just a question to ponder over, what rights should be extended to an invader?

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Oh really? 

Have you not noticed that other Liberal politicians (with the exception of Brandis) have kept quiet on this issue? With Turnbull even going as far as to praise triggs and try and bring the discussion back to the issue - children?

Abbott (and a small non-vocal minority of his inner sanctum who would defend him anything anyway) is the only one crying "Bias!!".

I won't even bother responding to your other comments about 'non citizens' and 'invaders' as I am sure you know what I would have to say.

[idlewhile]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

I think it  still is at the whim of the govt. It has no legal standing so it is a govt entity.

It is an Independent Statutary Authority.

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It is a government entity enacted by government and funded by government. Also comes under the definition of a  quango.

Nobody said it wasn't a "independant statutary authority"  They are still under the whim of the government of the day to enact government guidelines under their jurisdiction.

[bluecat*dancing]

Children are still being held in dentention centres. Children should not be held in detention centres. Remove all children from detention centres. Problem solved.

All politicians need to stop using the vulnerable as political footballs and people need to stop being so damned angry over anything and everything. It is counter-productive

[vicr3000]

Blue

Not until some safeguards are in place to stop the Julian Burnsides of this world from
Kicking up a legal stink if or when the Govt decides NOT to allow them to stay.

In any case, better that they never need detention by stopping them before they get here,
Which is even better.

[icyfroth]

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@bluecat*dancing wrote:

Children are still being held in dentention centres. Children should not be held in detention centres. Remove all children from detention centres. Problem solved.

All politicians need to stop using the vulnerable as political footballs and people need to stop being so damned angry over anything and everything. It is counter-productive

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You can't just go seperating children from their parents.

Can you imagine the hue and cry if those children were taken from their families and had to be fostered out into the community?

Cries of "stolen generation" would be heard.

Immediately the illegals would then challenge for a visa to be reunited with their children.

Would you like these children to be used as a means to an end?

And how do you know the children wouldn't be abused with their foster families?

[vicr3000]

Icy

You know what its like with the looney left.

Anything to achieve an objective.

Even the odd thousand deaths !

[i-need-a-martini]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@bluecat*dancing wrote:

Children are still being held in dentention centres. Children should not be held in detention centres. Remove all children from detention centres. Problem solved.

All politicians need to stop using the vulnerable as political footballs and people need to stop being so damned angry over anything and everything. It is counter-productive

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You can't just go seperating children from their parents.

Can you imagine the hue and cry if those children were taken from their families and had to be fostered out into the community?

Cries of "stolen generation" would be heard.

Immediately the illegals would then challenge for a visa to be reunited with their children.

Would you like these children to be used as a means to an end?

And how do you know the children wouldn't be abused with their foster families?

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So let them all out into the community. It will certainly save us  lot of money.

And if you say "that isn't doable." then I suggest you look at countries like Italy that only hold asylum seekers for 35 days whilst they verify their identities. And if their case isn't heard within 6 months they are given work visas. Some politicians there are critical of this approach but generally it seems to work well. And it's a hell of a lot more humane than the way we treat them.

That scenario is not unique.

How about Sweden that has no detention for asylum seekers and it takes them only 3 months to decide the fate of the asylum seekers. 

And Italy and sweden both gets huge (HUGE!!) numbers of boat people.

Meanwhile back in Australia we manage to create a mountain out of a molehill for how many peoples lives...?

[i-need-a-martini]

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@vicr3000 wrote:
Icy

You know what its like with the looney left.

Anything to achieve an objective.

Even the odd thousand deaths !

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You know what Vic? When you make repeated denigrating remarks like this, it just makes you look as if you are unable to form a cohesive argument.

If you want to look at least part way intelligent then I suggest you ditch the name calling.

[vicr3000]

I need

Might I suggest you post your advice on the Stinking govt thread. The A graders live there.

And also, does the truth hurt ?

Because no one from Labor ever showed much compassion to the dying and
The Greens said it was 'accidents happen'.

Stopping the boats and not putting anyone in detention is far better than arguing that Children need to be released,
But you don't seem to get that,