What About The Children?

[the_great_she_elephant]

I am amazed and disgusted that in all the indignation over what Gillian Triggs should or shouldn't have done or who said or didn't say what to her, not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN  except, finally, Malcolm Turnbull, has commented in any way on the contents of her report..

She found that  over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalition governments  there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault. 

If these findings are true - and as far as I know nobody has so far disputed them -   then what is going to be done about it? Who had the duty of care? who is going to be held responsible. What measures are going to be put in place to stop this abuse happening in future?

Both Gillian Triggs and George Brandis are astute and comparitively wealthy adults able to instruct top  legal practitioners to protect their reputaions - but who is going to protect the safety of these children? How many more children have been abused since March 2014? Is a child perhaps being abused in a detention centre  even while you are reading this post? 

Surely to goodness after all that was learned from the Children In Care Royal Commission this report cannot simply be put in a "don't want to know" basket while both sides of Pariament try to gain political mileage out the motives of the Human Rghts Commissioner or the behaviour of the Attourney General.

At some point -though probably not in the lifetime of this government  or even  the one that follows it - there will inevitably be a Royal Commission into the treatment of children in detention centre. what do you imagine its findings are likely to be?

[i-need-a-martini]

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@vicr3000 wrote:

An observation re the report. Triggs seemed to have included quite a few drawings from children.

I don't see a need to put these in the report. Of course the media jump on them and assign all sorts

of things to them but they don't add to the report in any way.

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They were very relevent to developing conclusions when the children were examined by psychologists.Drawing is one of the most useful tools for garnering information particularly from very young children or those with language difficulties.

My daughter (who has a slight intellectual disability) isn't very good with words (either written or verbal) and draws as a way of explaining what she means or how she feels. We started asking her to do this from a very young age as it can tell us exactly what is going through her mind.

In regards to adding them to the report, when I saw them it summarised very quickly how these children felt without having to read through their case studies.

[vicr3000]

Oh great, now we make assessments on children based on a "colour crayon childrens drawing" and

lets not worry about reading the report.

They didn't need to be in the report as the people reading it aren't qualified to make a judgement based on it and are more than likely, like you, do make a judgement based on them rather than reading the Physch assessment.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

I keep coming back to this thread to see if anyone has come up with a solution for the children ............... but, NOPE!

[vicr3000]

rabbit

On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you think the care factor of children comes ?

Or anyone else for that matter.

Of the top of my head, I'd put it a being 5 - 7.

Not my view, how I see them viewed by others in the big picture.

I might try to list 1 - 5 later on.

[polksaladallie]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@vicr3000 wrote:

An observation re the report. Triggs seemed to have included quite a few drawings from children.

I don't see a need to put these in the report. Of course the media jump on them and assign all sorts

of things to them but they don't add to the report in any way.

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They were very relevent to developing conclusions when the children were examined by psychologists.Drawing is one of the most useful tools for garnering information particularly from very young children or those with language difficulties.

My daughter (who has a slight intellectual disability) isn't very good with words (either written or verbal) and draws as a way of explaining what she means or how she feels. We started asking her to do this from a very young age as it can tell us exactly what is going through her mind.

In regards to adding them to the report, when I saw them it summarised very quickly how these children felt without having to read through their case studies.

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You are so right when you detail how important drawings are.

They have been used for decades in paediatric psychiatry and child abuse investigation.  Some children are so traumatised that they have stopped speaking, or they trust nobody and can express their thoughts only in drawings.

Added.......Can't believe the ignorance which follows your post.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

I keep coming back to this thread to see if anyone has come up with a solution for the children ............... but, NOPE!

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I came up with a simple solution a while ago if you care to scroll back.

But everyone preferred to find excuses so they could continue to flap around in circles.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@vicr3000 wrote:

Oh great, now we make assessments on children based on a "colour crayon childrens drawing" and

lets not worry about reading the report.

They didn't need to be in the report as the people reading it aren't qualified to make a judgement based on it and are more than likely, like you, do make a judgement based on them rather than reading the Physch assessment.

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It may be difficult for you to decipher, but I believe any sensible person with half a brain would be able to see at a glance what they were dealing with when viewing those drawings.

You don't have to be an expert to make a call on the nature of those drawings.

The report was about CHILDREN. Many of them do not speak English. Many of them are too young to read or write. A drawing is their way of communicating. Do you suggest the drawings are ignored and left out of the report? If sho, how are their case studies to be presented? By a blank page?

[vicr3000]

I need

Care to re post it ?

[vicr3000]

Polks

I know that, but are they needed in the AHRC report.

The answer is NO, they are not.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@vicr3000 wrote:

I need

Care to re post it ?

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No.

It is on page 6.

You clicked the 'reply' button on that post twice. Which shows me that you are so fixated on disregarding anything other than your own opinion that you fail to see what is right in front of you.