What About The Children?

[the_great_she_elephant]

I am amazed and disgusted that in all the indignation over what Gillian Triggs should or shouldn't have done or who said or didn't say what to her, not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN  except, finally, Malcolm Turnbull, has commented in any way on the contents of her report..

She found that  over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalition governments  there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault. 

If these findings are true - and as far as I know nobody has so far disputed them -   then what is going to be done about it? Who had the duty of care? who is going to be held responsible. What measures are going to be put in place to stop this abuse happening in future?

Both Gillian Triggs and George Brandis are astute and comparitively wealthy adults able to instruct top  legal practitioners to protect their reputaions - but who is going to protect the safety of these children? How many more children have been abused since March 2014? Is a child perhaps being abused in a detention centre  even while you are reading this post? 

Surely to goodness after all that was learned from the Children In Care Royal Commission this report cannot simply be put in a "don't want to know" basket while both sides of Pariament try to gain political mileage out the motives of the Human Rghts Commissioner or the behaviour of the Attourney General.

At some point -though probably not in the lifetime of this government  or even  the one that follows it - there will inevitably be a Royal Commission into the treatment of children in detention centre. what do you imagine its findings are likely to be?

[Anonymous]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

Trickle?       50,000 a trickle?

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how many of them were overstayers

who arrived on valid visas and applied

for extensions?

majority.

how many of those were in detention centres?

none.

this is about people in detention centres.

[polksaladallie]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

Trickle?       50,000 a trickle?

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what are you talking about?

there are currently 54 detained that

arrived by air with no immigration clearance.

1635 detainees  arrived by boats

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[vicr3000]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

Trickle?       50,000 a trickle?

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I amend that figure.

THERE are enough illegal immigrants living in Australia to fill a large regional city, and nearly all of these 58,400 people arrive by plane.

November 21, 2011 .

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050

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Polks

READ THE ARTICLE

OK, they arrived by aircraft, BUT they WERE Legal, had Visa's etc etc

They didn't arrive by aircraft and walk through customs with no visa, illegally.

 THEY WERE OVER STAYERS

Three in four of the 58,400 visa overstayers came on tourist or holiday-working visas; one in seven arrived as students

and one in 15 disappeared after being granted temporary residency.

[Anonymous]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

Trickle?       50,000 a trickle?

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what are you talking about?

there are currently 54 detained that

arrived by air with no immigration clearance.

1635 detainees  arrived by boats

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why are you laughing?

[vicr3000]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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It is too good an opportunity to sling some mud and deflect attention from the fact that he is on his way out, unless he manages to stir up some bleep, and terrify us into stop looking at what he is doing to this country.

And by the way, do you stop to consider what happens to those people who are in Indonesia who planned to try to get on a boat, and now knowing that they would end up in Manus, are stuck without income and future in Asia?  The people who got on the leaky boat, knowing the dangers, obviously felt that going is better option than staying.  That says a lot about the conditions they were leaving behind.

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No, never crosses my mind.

They made the decision to go there, often by Commercial aircraft with a PAID ticket.

[polksaladallie]

Stop talking in past tense.  There have been for decades tens of thousands of illegal immigrants.  There are now, and there always will be.  Most flew here, some with children.  Many are in detention.

[vicr3000]

A lot of illegals that arrive by aircraft are sent packing almost immediately.

Airlines get fined for allowing someone on an aircraft without a valid visa and have to take them out again.

Overstayers are a different area to what we are discussing which is refugees and Asylum Seekers.

[gleee58]

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@punch*drunk wrote:

Imagine the trauma the poor little mites went through while their parents dragged them across the seas on a leaky boat past many other safe havens. Personally I think that in itself constitutes child abuse and yet nobody seem to be up in arms about that. By all means take the children from camps and place them in foster care here, but dont return them to their parents until they have proved suitability.

Any Australian parent that willingly risked the lives of their children would probably have them removed from their care until they could prove themselves.

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Would you stop at the first refugee camp you came across knowing that you would be staying there forever, that those who hunt you could find you there, that your kids would get no education, that there is no hope of finding work or a home, the your grandkids would be born there if not by marriage by rape?

Not me. I'd take my chances on the boat because that sounds worse than death.

[Anonymous]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

Stop talking in past tense.  There have been for decades tens of thousands of illegal immigrants.  There are now, and there always will be.  Most flew here, some with children.  Many are in detention.

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provide the statistics please.

who are the majority in immigration

detention centres?  by who i mean

the arrival type. 

[polksaladallie]

Do most asylum seekers arrive by boat?

Until recently, the vast majority of asylum seekers applying for protection in Australia arrived originally by air with a valid visa and then applied for asylum at a later date while living in the community. Historically, boat arrivals only made up a small proportion of asylum applicants—estimates vary, but it is likely that between 96 and 99 per cent of asylum applicants arrived by air.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-...