on 23-01-2014 03:32 PM
on 23-01-2014 05:40 PM
Even those supposedly loyal to a government - or country - should not be denied the opportunity to question the actions of the representatives of that government.
There are those on these boards that believe that anyone that even dares to question the Navy about this incident are treacherous, dare I say "un-Australian". We should blindly accept that they can do no wrong.
Well I happen to think it's the opposite - that those that want to shut down any sort of debate on this are the ones that themselves show no respect to our democracy and our democratic process.
If this incident isn't investigated, there will forever hang some sort of doubt as to the actions that took place that day. Simply saying "Oh no, the Navy wouldn't do that" isn't good enough. We the public - the tax-paying public and the employers of the politicians and the Navy personnel - deserve better.
Transparency and open government - that would be a fine thing. As soon as there is an attempt to stifle debate - including calling the ABC treacherous for "daring" to air the allegations - we have started down the slippery slope.
on 23-01-2014 03:39 PM
burnt them on the engine whilst they were trying to disable the boat.
Does Indonesia apologise when their fishing boats enter Australian waters
23-01-2014 03:40 PM - edited 23-01-2014 03:41 PM
I think it's probably only posturing, Donna - I doubt if the Indonesion Government is really any more concerned about the treatment of asylum seekers then our own Government is. However, IF the allegations turn out to be true, then one or two pollies (and at least one poster here) are going to be left with rather a lot of egg on their faces.
on 23-01-2014 03:42 PM
Whose hands?
Its good that indonesia are ramping up their security, they might be able to catch some of those people smugglers and save us some money.
While they are at it, maybe they could stop the scavengers that are salvaging HMAS Perth and perhaps protect what is now left of our ship and the 350 souls that went down with her.
on 23-01-2014 03:45 PM
I do not believe that the Australian personnel have abused these asylum seekers. I'm sure they get very frustrated, but I don't believe they would do this. I will be very interested in any investigation.
on 23-01-2014 03:46 PM
Their hands looked burnt and I hope that our navy were not responsible and that Morrison is telling the truth.
on 23-01-2014 03:50 PM
Finally.... now they can go to the rescue of the people in boats.... we can divert all calls that we get to the Indonesians and we won't have to cross into their waters at all any more... woot. That will save us $$ Millions.
Funny that it is ok for us to go into their waters to pick up boat people and bring them back here but to go into their water to turn them back is not allowed....
If you did your research OP you would have found that the people on those boats burnt their own hands while trying to disable their vessel so that we would be forced to take them.
on 23-01-2014 03:50 PM
on 23-01-2014 03:51 PM
It is worrying and this is what happens when we have a racist, arrogant PM and govt.
the following is from The Jakarta Post
Tension between the two neighbors reached a new height Wednesday after Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that stopping the boats was “a matter of sovereignty” and Jakarta should understand Canberra was taking the issue seriously.
President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who suspended cooperation with Australia following allegations that it attempted to spy on him and members of his inner circle, skipped the Davos meeting to oversee the handling of recent nationwide flooding and the eruption of the Mount Sinabung volcano.
Abbott’s statement came only days after Australia admitted that its naval ships had entered Indonesian waters. It later apologized to Indonesia for the incursion.
Political, Legal and Security Affairs Minister Djoko Suyanto said it was Australia that should respect Indonesia’s sovereignty, “which was violated by the Australian navy.”
“Asylum seekers that have entered a country, including Australia, must be managed according to the UN Convention on Refugees,” he asserted in a written statement.
Australia is a signatory to the convention. He added that the country concerned must also handle the problem in cooperation with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) or the International Organization for Migration (IOM).
on 23-01-2014 03:57 PM
If you did your research OP you would have found that the people on those boats burnt their own hands while trying to disable their vessel so that we would be forced to take them.
I clearly have not researched, the article was published a few minutes before I posted it cat 🙂
Thanks for telling me what you think happened though, that is what the thread is for as suggested in the OP 🙂
I also doubt the Navy had anything to do with it, will be interesting to find out the truth though, won't it?