What is the motivation...........

[poddster]

.........that compels people to attend major league football games at a stadium in their thousands?

[poddster]

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@pct001wine wrote:

Standard deflection response.

The need to compare (in injury terms) the sports of shooting and all codes of football is specious, pointless and misleading in the extreme.

Quite the opposite, pct, the comparison is very relevant. The statistics support my statement that football as a sport is more dangerous than target shooting

It proves nothing except the person who attempted to connect the two in order to either legitimise his sport or validate the reintroduction of weapons into the community is bereft of proper argument for whatever he is arguing about.

It proves nothing of the sort, my sport is already a estimate sport and recognised at Olympic level. Nowhere have i said that I am in favour of the reintroduction of firearms into the community with out proper controls, that part is a fabrication on your part to support your claim

Which one is it poddster ?  I don't believe anyone is denying you the opportunity to practice and compete in your chosen sport ... are they ?

Neithe of the above pct. No they ar not.

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@poddster wrote:

No it is supposed to show that a golf club can be just a lethal as a firearm, which happens to be true.

Once again I must remind you that it is the INTENT to kill that does the killing. Inanimate objects are just inanimate objects with no INTENT.

Basically a golf club is similar to a firearm the design of both is to propel a projectile to a distant target.

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When a toddler picks up a firearm and kills their parent their is no intent to kill. If there was no gun there would have been no death. 

And no, a golf club could not be used to kill many people in less than a minute.

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Glee who do you think is responsible for leaving a loaded firearm where a toddler can get at it?

Why are you blaming the firearm it is an inanimate object.

Your argument is baseless

As I have illustrated, a golf club could be used in mass fatalities the victims are just as dead regardless of the time involved

[poddster]

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@*pepe wrote:

do you deny that in the wrong hands a gun can and has gone off accidentally killing someone?

there are many such tragedies in the news, yet I have NEVER seen a news story where someone found a golf club on the floor and accidentally killing someone whilst looking at it.

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No pepe i dont deny that. You too are blaming the firearm and not the person who left a loaded firearm unattended. Firearms do not discharge just by being looked at.

Unless you have a power of telekinesis and can pull the trigger by sheer mind control, and even then that would have to be concious decision and effort

[*pepe]

guns can and do go off by being mishandled y inexperienced people.

golf clubs don't.

Who left it laying around is irelevant.

[gleee58]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@poddster wrote:

No it is supposed to show that a golf club can be just a lethal as a firearm, which happens to be true.

Once again I must remind you that it is the INTENT to kill that does the killing. Inanimate objects are just inanimate objects with no INTENT.

Basically a golf club is similar to a firearm the design of both is to propel a projectile to a distant target.

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When a toddler picks up a firearm and kills their parent their is no intent to kill. If there was no gun there would have been no death. 

And no, a golf club could not be used to kill many people in less than a minute.

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There is no intent.... Geez I hate auto words  😄

[gleee58]

No, it's not blaming the inanimate object. 

It's not blaming anything.  It's stating fact that accidents are caused by the gun being there. If it was not there the accident would not have been possible.  People with guns are prone to have more deadly accidents than the accidents people have with footballs or golf balls.  

When used as a weapon the gun is by far the most deadly.

[poddster]

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@*pepe wrote:

guns can and do go off by being mishandled y inexperienced people.

golf clubs don't.

Who left it laying around is irelevant.

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I do not dispute that the mishandling of a firearm by someone inexperienced can be dangerous but the danger is the  inexperienced handler not the firearm.
Just as with a motor vehicle in the control of an inexperienced driver it has the potential to be lethal but it is not the motor vehicle at fault but experienced driver.

Let us assume that a person is in control of a motor vehicle with the intent to harm someone and does so it is the person who get charged with inflicting injury and not the motor vehicle

That applies regardless of that the inanimate object is used to cause injury be it golf club, knife, firearm or even a frozen leg of  lamb.

Irrelevant??? is that what you think?  ok.

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@gleee58 wrote:

No, it's not blaming the inanimate object. 

It's not blaming anything.  It's stating fact that accidents are caused by the gun being there. If it was not there the accident would not have been possible.  People with guns are prone to have more deadly accidents than the accidents people have with footballs or golf balls.  

When used as a weapon the gun is by far the most deadly.

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The accidents are caused by people who leave firearms or anything else that is dangerous where they should not leave them unattended.

How many more time must I stress that there are more injuries attributed to football and golf than target shooting

Care to disprove that fact?

[myoclon1cjerk]

Who cares about target shooting? We're talking about weapons in society.

[poddster]

is that what you are discussing?

Weapons?

Any of the things that I have mentioned can be termed weapons.

weapon

ˈwɛp(ə)n/

noun

noun: weapon; plural noun: weapons

1. a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

   "nuclear weapons"

   • a means of gaining an advantage or defending oneself in a conflict or contest.

     "resignation threats had long been a weapon in his armoury"