What is worse?

Those that overstay their visa that fly in (majority)

 

or

 

Those that arrive by boat.......with the possibily of seeking asylum (unlikely) and sent back.

 

 

I generally keep up with what is going on and don't understand the governments fixation with boats when the numbers are the clear minority.

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I think it helps if you have relatives working in immigration, hate to say.........

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lol wouldn't that be the case with everything?

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Define miles.

 

Miles in the context of say my village in Afghanistan to Kabul airport.  Or from my village to Islamabad where a booked a flight to Indonesia.  Or is it ever onwards toward the horizon, though a half a dozen or so former Soviet republics and onwards down through East Asia to Indonesia.  Seems like an awfully long and dangerous route when, if I wanted somewhere safe to stay, all I had to do is head west to Europe.

 

As for destroying documents before I leave, why on earth I would do that, I mean, with them once across the border I can use them for identity or travel purposes.  Without them, when caught it’s a one way ticket to a UN supervised refugee camp. 

 

But then there is the issue of money.  If I fled then where did I get the money to support myself whilst on foot to Indonesia and where did I get the money to bribe someone to let me in, and were did I get the money pay the smuggler.  Ah yes I was prudent and got the money out before I fled.  But then if a had the foresight to replan why not include in provision to safe drop trave document.

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What nonsense that people from oseas countries wanting to live in Australia illegally can go get in easier if they go through New Zealand first.

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There is no doubt that many asylum seekers do destroy their documents.  It is mentioned in the UNHCR guidelines regarding the detention of those asylum seekers who destroy their travel and identity documents.  If you are seeking asylum from a country that does not pose danger than the host country is under no obligation to give you protection.

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@tall_bearded wrote:

Define miles.

 

Miles in the context of say my village in Afghanistan to Kabul airport.  Or from my village to Islamabad where a booked a flight to Indonesia.  Or is it ever onwards toward the horizon, though a half a dozen or so former Soviet republics and onwards down through East Asia to Indonesia.  Seems like an awfully long and dangerous route when, if I wanted somewhere safe to stay, all I had to do is head west to Europe.

 

As for destroying documents before I leave, why on earth I would do that, I mean, with them once across the border I can use them for identity or travel purposes.  Without them, when caught it’s a one way ticket to a UN supervised refugee camp. 

 

But then there is the issue of money.  If I fled then where did I get the money to support myself whilst on foot to Indonesia and where did I get the money to bribe someone to let me in, and were did I get the money pay the smuggler.  Ah yes I was prudent and got the money out before I fled.  But then if a had the foresight to replan why not include in provision to safe drop trave document.


Why don't you read some of the stories of the people who have made such journeys?

 

It sounds as if you have read absolutely nothing.  

 

http://www.defencereservessupport.gov.au/media/188424/news_breakers_march_2012.pdf

 

SQNLDR Al Muderis SR, shared his story with the Editor …
‘I’d graduated as a doctor from Baghdad University about two years before
the Hospital shooting – a murderous act that occurred within minutes of the
Iraq military ordering doctors to cut the ears from three bus loads of Iraqi
deserters. The doctor’s murder was simply to get our attention’.
‘Soldiers herded us forward to conduct the heinous act of surgery. A gap
in surveillance enabled some of us to flee the scene. I hid in a toilet block
and lost contact with the others’.
‘I headed for Jordon knowing that Iraqi intelligence officers
may not be far behind’.

‘I could hear soldiers searching room-to-room calling for doctors who
couldn’t be accounted for – my heart was pounding – my stomach was
churning – then came a moment of silence. I seized the opportunity to run
through the Hospital corridors to the outside world; I kept running until deep 

into the outer suburbs of Baghdad’.
‘I knew that there was no turning back!’


Doctor Al Muderis became a moving target as he travelled 100km across
country to the old family home, west of Baghdad. He contacted his mother,
Kamila Al Turck through relatives. His father, Abdul Razak, an Iraqi Supreme
Court Judge passed away in 1995.


SQNLDR Al Muderis said, ‘My mother was very distressed because Iraqi
intelligence officers had already been at the house looking for me’.
‘Mother quickly arranged for documentation that showed my profession as a
tradesman – she fed me – I rested – she gave me money and kissed me
goodbye’.
‘I then fled into the darkness. My dream to become an orthopaedic robotic
limb surgeon was under threat, as was my life ’.

‘Escape by stealth became a more open affair when my aunt
suggested I should go to Malaysia’.
‘Travelling by bus, I headed for Jordon knowing that Iraqi intelligence officers
may not be far behind. As the bus approached the Iraq/Jordon border, my
heart again began to race; it was as if time stood still, a surreal experience
not knowing if my newly acquired papers would bring about my arrest’.
‘I was recorded at the border as a tradesman – thanks mother – the bus,
with me on board, passed into Jordon’.
‘It was a 500km journey to Amman where I contacted my aunty,
an American citizen: for the first time, life-on-the-run, had a sense
of calm and safety’.

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Where in the countries without Aust embassies/consulates are people (single)going to front up to APPLY for a short term visa.??

There are a limited countries where residents
can apply for one of these visas online.
Those countrues not listed the person must lodge a paper application at their nearest Australian immigration office.

Most of the countries where the majority if refugees originate from dont have an Aust. Immigration office.

People must have a passport first before applying for a visa. If the don't have a passport and need to flee from their country to avoid persecution by their Govt, they aren't going to apply for a passport first.

People from Iran were flying to Indonesia buying a visa for there and getting on a prebooked boat to Australia.
That loophoke was closed last year. They were not people eligible for asylum.
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I mean the purpose of this thread is to examine which is worse.

 

 

I don't quite understand that.  Worse in what sense?  Worse for whom? 

Worse for Australia?  The economy?  Security?  Community?  What else is there?

 

 

 

 

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If a person from, say, Syria got a short term visa for NZ and before or after it expired they got on a plane to Sydney..they wouldn't be allowed in if they didnt have an Australian visa.

NZers aren't eligible for Aust Govt welfare
benefits and haven't been since 2001.

Nearly 20 000 Kiwis living in Aust returned to live in NZ in the last year. The highest number since the early 1990's.

Thats room for an extra 20 000 asykum seekers.
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It was to demonstrate the numbers, well that is why I started the thread because the government does seem to be fixated on those that come via boat when clearly more fly in.

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