on 05-10-2013 02:27 PM
does it hurt?
on 05-10-2013 03:35 PM
I love that saying "half cocked"
on 05-10-2013 03:35 PM
Crikey, do women ovulate and not have babies ?
same with chickens laying egss...they need a rooster ..and even then not every eggs they lay produces chickens .
on 05-10-2013 03:37 PM
me too Freddie, I'm reminded that we must have the birds and bees talk with our daughter
on 05-10-2013 03:38 PM
@am*3 wrote:The caged chickens suffer, not us. People buy their eggs because they are cheaper. Any animal/bird stuffed into a small cage with several others isn't going to feel happy.
There is no reason not to eat all eggs.. shele posted she buys eggs from a farmers market, from a farm with 1500 hens/hectare... the ideal maximum.
There is a HUGE difference in what caged hens suffer (never seeing daylight as well) and free range hens, that spent most of their time in daylight, even if there is 10 000 hens\hectare.
A human could have the freedom to walk around their house with others or be stuffed in a wardrobe with others and never let out.
I get what you are saying. but how does a chicken know to be sad if it has never known anything else?
Are chickens capable of being happy?
To me, if it hurts to lay an egg, then the chicken must be suffering. So to continue to eat eggs knowing that means that I am ok that the chicken suffers as long as my needs are met. But I will justify this by only eating eggs from chickens that don't seem to suffer as much as others.
These chickens are bred to produce eggs for us to eat. If we didn't eat the eggs, then no chicken would have to suffer, at any level.
I think nature intended eggs to be a method of reproduiction to continue the species, not necessarily a mass produced food source.
on 05-10-2013 03:39 PM
@izabsmiling wrote:me too Freddie, I'm reminded that we must have the birds and bees talk with our daughter
Oh Iza, have fun *shudders*
on 05-10-2013 03:40 PM
@am*3 wrote:About animals/birds not knowing any better.. that would cover treating a baby animal/bird or even a human baby badly/cruely right from birth and saying we aren't being cruel to them as they know no better.
Now you're thinking like me. That's where my mind is heading, and to other people in different countries living in different conditions. For example Afghani Muslim women, who by our standards appear to be oppressed and persecuted, yet they don't know any better, do they? So they may not feel persecuted or oppressed, even though we think that they shoul or are.
on 05-10-2013 03:43 PM
Look at a hen, owned by a farmer or householder, happily pecking away in its hen house yard with a few others, compare that hen with one stuck in a cage with others.. see which one looks happy & healthy and which one doesn't not.
As I said before there is no need for a knee-jerk reaction to say don't eat any eggs or have any eggs for sale. There are free range (and organic) eggs available that are farmed under conditions that are considered acceptable (1500hens/hectare) in Australia.
It is the caged hen farming that needs to be stopped and it will be phased out in Australia.
05-10-2013 03:45 PM - edited 05-10-2013 03:47 PM
@crikey*mate wrote:
@am*3 wrote:About animals/birds not knowing any better.. that would cover treating a baby animal/bird or even a human baby badly/cruely right from birth and saying we aren't being cruel to them as they know no better.
Now you're thinking like me. That's where my mind is heading, and to other people in different countries living in different conditions. For example Afghani Muslim women, who by our standards appear to be oppressed and persecuted, yet they don't know any better, do they? So they may not feel persecuted or oppressed, even though we think that they shoul or are.
That is totally different and not comparable. They are not kept in small cages with 2 or 3 women in the same cage and never see daylight...physicall cruelty.
Different countries have allready banned caged hen farming... ALL of the EU countries, Switz and 7 States in the US.
Woolworths Aust are nowhere near the first ones to get on this bandwagon.
on 05-10-2013 03:51 PM
@freddie*rooster wrote:Tas, I didn't see your chicken picture I was off searching ebay for ruby red glass
in any case it wouldn't have bothered me, i'm not thin skinned.
As for the preference over caged eggs or free range eggs, think of it this way crikey wouldn't you prefer to eat a happy egg then a sad egg? Even if the chickens don't know any different we do, and our choice should be gauged by what we know. So my choice is a happy egg sunny side up poached with a runny yoke.
Crikey, that picture wasn't a sad picture it was a happy picture, (1) that treatment had finally ended. (2) Happy to be fortunate enough to have such wonderful people administering the treatment. (3) Happy to be alive.
OK?
Yeah, ok, but it still made me think about the journey you must have endured to get there. I couldn't have done that. That's a pretty amazing thing that you did and that you came out then other side and with such a brillant attituse about it.
I'm glad it's a happy pic for you. For me, I reckon if they had have used that on some cigarette packets, it would have made me give up a whole lot more qwuickly than I did. That's how big an effect that pic had on me.
Sorry.
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LOL - happy and sad eggs!
that's making me giggle, (in a good way)
I like eggs. I never thought how happy an egg was, just how they taste.
and yep, a perfectly poached egg with a rich flavoursome yolk just luxuriously oozing out to coat or accompany other food.
on 05-10-2013 03:54 PM
A Happy Hen