When is Racism not racism.

[the_bob_delusion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfpADBQZfUE

I've seen this ad a few times now. I don't think the ad gets its point across. How is it discrimination against just indigenous is a stretch? Just cause the person feel like they've been discriminated because they're indigenous doesn't make it so. You can look suspecious with your hands tucked into your sleeve regardless of your race. Plus that woman frankly just look white to me. And some women simply prefer not to sit next to man on a bus. The last guy just look mediteranian to me even though the only bit related to the indigenous is the "ab0" joke. 

I get the point they're trying to make on the ad but it just ends up mocking the indigeous for being cry babies. I don't like this ad. 

[k0llectable5]

Exactly Punch.  My children grew up in one of the most 'colourful' suburbs of Melbournes inner west.  My son was best friends with a cute little Sudanese boy in kinder.  His English was very limited and my sons speech was progressing very slowly at that point.  It didnt matter, they really needed to speak to each other very little, they just knew they had fun playing together and thats all that mattered. And if my kids fall in love with a 'non white' person and want to get married and have a family with them Imma be the happiest parent that ever lived because they have found the 'right' person for them who they want to spend the rest of their life with 🙂

[jimmy*part4]

@*jimmy1717* wrote:

Yeah...let me guess.

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village-person said....

This is a piece I came across about 5 years ago and decided to save it.

“The sad truth for middle-class moralisers is that most Australians are unhelpfully non-racist. The book “How Australia Compares”, by Rodney Tiffen and Ross Gittins, includes the result of a **1990’s survey on the sorts of people who were not desired as neighbours. Some of the respondent percentages were: drug addicts 74, heavy drinkers 60, people with a criminal record 45, emotionally unstable 38, and immigrants and people of different races 5. ONLY 5%! And that was the lowest in the list of countries surveyed: Austria and Belgium 20%, Japan 17%, France, Italy, and Germany 13%.”

How'd you go jimmy1717? Did you guess correctly?

I knew sooner or later the US would be mentioned in a negative light. Although I couldn't read the book, the Author uses stats in the US for comparisons on every topic, but in a really even handed way. I'm curious where we'd fall on that percentage list. I'm sure the book lists it, but not the article.

But fear not...you guys never dissapoint, lol.

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

For many years I used to go to  American board, and got to know many on the people there well.  Or so i thought.  We all knew who we are in real life; it was a board for our hobby, and we talked about our common interest, and got to know each other quite personally, and I liked and respected them. 

Soon after Obama was elected there was a totally serious discussion started on "how black is Obama, and is he too black or not enough"!!!!???  It went on and on, over days and hundreds of posts.  Nobody was insulting or nasty, but just the idea that it was important, turns my stomach.  I followed the topic for a while, being totally incredulous.  I am sure none of these people realised how racist  they are are.

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On practically every topic that has a negative point Americans are used as an example. Isn't that racism? Sure is. Just because we are races from all around the globe doesn't mean insulting Americans as a whole isn't racism. Not only is it done all the time, it's encouraged, and applauded.

But "you" made it to page 2 without that happening. We're making progress, lol.

We live side by side with many races, including black people. Both blacks and whites know there are huge differences between us (and I don't mean financial)...we accept that. I'm not saying there aren't prejudices on both sides, but we understand just how different we are from each other and that's ok.

It's our first black President...ever! So of course we (both sides) are going to discuss how that will effect us. But when he was first voted into office we all wondered. So yes...how black he is would have an effect on everything he did/does. In the end, did it matter? Not really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4vfTYfnwhpw#t=132

And I'd be happy to sit next to Lobs! 🙂

[tall_bearded01]

What I simply don’t get is, if were are so racist, and being indiginous is such a burden, why is that every person with even the most tenuous links, is claiming that somewhere in the family tree, there is a great great grandparent of aboriginal descent.

[k0llectable5]

Because every goverment form you fill out asks the question "Are you an aboriginal or torres straight islander?" You are somehow elevated in the govts eyes if you have decended from either, thats jmo anyway...

[bluecat*dancing]

Bashing of a minority group of people is alive and well on CS.

Fact: claiming to have indigenous blood is not enough to prove aboriginality.

[tall_bearded01]

You missed where I was coming from.

It has nothing to do with is the claim is valid.

The question is, if we are so racist, why put a target on your back, by maing the claim in the first place.

[kilroy_is_here]

Martini call people racist for expressing their views actually cements racism in place, if people are not able to express their views then resentment sets in in dose not matter if they are black or white if your is suppressed by a label you will resent it , the only way to beat it is to allow pekoe to discuss it , I have not met lobs but from what I seen on here she is quite capable of putting her opinion and if she feels inclined defend it or as with a lot of cases she puts and let's it stand on its merits , to claim people don't have a right to respond to her comments or even challenge them is to place her above the rest of us based solely on her race, which I believe is classified as racism ,I cannot speak for lobs but I get the feeling that she would not be comfortable with others being suppressed, I may be wrong but only lobs could answer that.

Personally I think the tag of racist is thrown around to easily , it stifles discussion and stifled discussion stifles understanding, I would love to know and exchange views with lobs and get her perspective on lots of things , but I would be very quickly labeled racist on here

[bluecat*dancing]

Why should anyone have to "hide" who they are for fear of being oppressed and targeted by others?

My earlier post was not aimed at you - your posts tend to be balanced.

[azureline**]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

I don't want to get into this thread (or even come back to it after this) because racism makes my blood boil and I don't want to be angry all week simply because I have read comments on CS from people that couldn't possibl;y understand what real racism feels like.

The odd remark here and there about your white skin or the innocent (in your case) act of asking to have your bag checked is in no way comparable to what our indigenous people face in their lives day after day.

And it is telling that you all categorically dismissed and in one case derided the comments that lobs (one of the only indigenous people on our board) made without any attempt at understanding the difference between even the simple every day things like an indigenous person being asked to open her bags between you and I being asked to get our bags checked.

Anyhow, keep on congratulating yourselves on having white skin and regalling each other with "a friend I know", "this happened in my town" stories of reverse racism or pretend empathy with indigenous people because you have also been asked to open your bags or had the same look from shopkeepers or show your indignity at an indigenous persons football team without understanding the history behind it - THAT is the crux of the racism problem towards our indigenous people in Australia and it simply saddens be beyond belief.

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Lobs asked the questions........... I don't think most people dismissed her experiences by answering the questions she asked....................everyone gets bag checked in the centre I go to. It's the behaviour of some people that is racist.

[***super_nova***]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

NO one EVER told me I was better. 

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I do not know how old are you but only back in the 1960s in Australia aboriginals were not allowed to swim in public swimming pools etc.  And in the USA where blacks could not go to school with whites, and had to sit in back of the bus, and if black man as much as looked at white woman it would have been enough for him to be beaten up, or killed. Do you think that was not saying to the white kids that they are better?

It was pretty  much the attitude of the whole society that we are better.  And it is still there; we are taught white history, and when little bit of the aboriginal history started to be taught in some schools, people protest because "it is not important".   English queens and kings are much more relevant, apparently.