Who is more oppressed?

[the_bob_delusion]

Go.

[johcaschro]

So, you'll support the right of women to wear a mask when going out in public, but will not extend that same right to include men?

Such a position is discriminatory and sexist, not to mention, hypocritical.

[the_great_she_elephant]

How can I put this in words you can understand.

No men in Australia (including bikies)  have a cultural reason for wishing to cover their faces in public, so it is not approprite for them to do so.

Some women in Australia do have such a reason. so it is appropriate for them to do so. 

Because no men in Australia have  cultural resons for wishing to cover their faces, then a man walking the streets wearing a mask would appear suspicious.

Come to think of it, a woman walking the streets wearing a mask would appear pretty suss too 

[johcaschro]

I refer you back to my post #15 where i said :-

For those of you who support the right of people to do this, I'd ask you how you would feel if there were a religion which encouraged its male members to wear a mask in public and that the women were not encouraged to?

it's just an excercise in thinking about attitude.  Well, how would you feel?

It was a hypothetical situation a la Geoffery Robertson

And you (willfully?) missed the point and went off on some distracting tangent.

How can I put this in words you can understand? It is not culturally appropriate here in Australia for anyone, as a part of their usual going-out-clothes to wear a mask.

It is discriminatory to allow women to do this and not to allow men to do it. It is hypocritical to support one side but not the other's right in this case.

What would you call a rectangular piece of black cloth, worn so as to conceal the face and tied with cords at the back of the head around the outside of a person's headcovering?

I saw this earlier this week, and to me, it looked just like a mask.

[lloydslights]

An on duty policewoman in a bikini would be an "undercover" cop.

DEB

[raptor_rebooted]

How can I put this in words you can understand.

No men in Australia (including bikies)  have a cultural reason for wishing to cover their faces in public, so it is not approprite for them to do so.

it was a hypothetical question.

just like your hypothetical scenario

in your bullying thread.  

so now imagine there was a culture

or religion that asked men to wear 

a mask in public.

And you (willfully?) missed the point and went off on some distracting tangent.

[the_great_she_elephant]

so now imagine there was a culture

or religion that asked men to wear 

a mask in public.

If there were a culture or religion that asked men wear a mask in public then it would be culturally appropriate for them to do so and I would not have a problem with it. and if they were not allowed to do so then that might be considered sexist.

In the real world however, there is no such cultural imperative for men,  and since there is hardly a week goes by without an armed holdup involving masked (male)  perpetrators taking place somewhere in Australia, men with masked faces are obviously going to be viewed with suspicion. If you have ever read an account of an armed holdup being perpetrated in Australia by a woman wearing a burqa, perhaps you could provide a link to it.

And while we are on the subject of cultural mores and sexism, Is it OK that Tony Abbott can emerge from his morning swim and parade topless before the cameras, but  Julie Bishop can't?

[the_great_she_elephant]

it was a hypothetical question.

just like your hypothetical scenario

in your bullying thread.

No, it was not just like my hypothetical scenario in my bullying thread. that scenario  related to something which actually exists in real life: online bulllying does occur, name calling and personal insults do happen and people do get upset and feel threatened by them.

On the other hand there are no cultural or religious imperatives here in Australia for men to cover their faces, so the question was not only hypothetical it was spurious ( specious, false, factitious, counterfeit,fraudulent, trumped-up, sham, mock, feigned, pretended, contrived,fabricated, manufactured, fictitious, make-believe, invalid, fallacious,meretricious;

It would make as much sense to cite a hypothetical situation where a culture or religion requires men, but not women,  to dress up in rabbit suits and worship the Easter Bunny

[raptor_rebooted]

On the other hand there are no cultural or religious imperatives here in Australia for men to cover their faces, so the question was not only hypothetical it was spurious ( specious, false, factitious, counterfeit,fraudulent, trumped-up, sham, mock, feigned, pretended, contrived,fabricated, manufactured,fictitious, make-believe, invalid, fallacious,meretricious;

i don't this so.

there are already cultures/religions (in australia)

that encourage men to practice things

like wearing head coverings or growing

certain length beards/hair.

so why can't you just imagine that

practice being extended to face coverings

and answer the question ie how would

you feel?

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

On the other hand there are no cultural or religious imperatives here in Australia for men to cover their faces, so the question was not only hypothetical it was spurious ( specious, false, factitious, counterfeit,fraudulent, trumped-up, sham, mock, feigned, pretended, contrived,fabricated, manufactured,fictitious, make-believe, invalid, fallacious,meretricious;

.

there are already cultures/religions (in australia)

that encourage men to practice things

like wearing head coverings or growing

certain length beards/hair.

so why can't you just imagine that

practice being extended to face coverings

and answer the question ie how would

you feel?

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I have already told you how I imagine I would feel; but my imaginary feelings  would depend on how the imaginary culture originated:

If the imaginary culture had always existed in Australia, then I imagine I would have no difficulty with Australian men  practising their cultural beliefs.

If it was a practice that already existed in other cultures and had been brought to Australia by migrants, then I imagine I would  have no difficulty with  men of that culture  practicing their cultural beliefs.

If it was a brand new culture that suddenly popped up out of the blue in Australia, because some group decided it was a good idea, then I imagine I - and most Australians - would have a great deal of difficulty coming to terms with it.

[raptor_rebooted]

If it was a practice that already existed in other cultures and had been brought to Australia by migrants, then I imagine I would  have no difficulty with  men of that culture  practicing their cultural beliefs.

If it was a brand new culture that suddenly popped up out of the blue in Australia, because some group decided it was a good idea, then I imagine I - and most Australians - would have a great deal of difficulty coming to terms with it.

interesting. thanks.