Why Does God allow Suffering if he Loves us?

[the_bob_delusion]

Discuss. 

[cherry*135]

You have done this one before.

[*pepe]

you are scraping the bottom of the barrel when you have to recycle topics.

[the_bob_delusion]

Any topics I haven't covered?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

what about a discussion on why did evolution cheat us humans out of a proper spine? {ala she ele}. I did ask but she hasn't answered so far.

[the_bob_delusion]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

what about a discussion on why did evolution cheat us humans out of a proper spine? {ala she ele}. I did ask but she hasn't answered so far.

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I don't really understand your thinking and have been curious about it. The evidence for evolution is pretty much demonstrable accepted by virtually all scientist of any nationality, religion and gender. Why would you think it's made up?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

what about a discussion on why did evolution cheat us humans out of a proper spine? {ala she ele}. I did ask but she hasn't answered so far.

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I don't really understand your thinking and have been curious about it. The evidence for evolution is pretty much demonstrable accepted by virtually all scientist of any nationality, religion and gender. Why would you think it's made up?

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That's what everyone keeps telling me, but when I ask for a small piece of evidence ..... no further responses ... except for she ele perhaps but then she only gives very cryptic responses - most of you just say study it. Well, give me a tiny piece of evidence that I can study - that hasn't been proved a fake or a type of ape that has been misrepresented as the missing link.

give me something - perhaps other than fossilswhich she ele says do not, by themselves, prove anything.

I asked her to tell me why she thought our spine was proof of a poor design so it must be evolution?

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

what about a discussion on why did evolution cheat us humans out of a proper spine? {ala she ele}. I did ask but she hasn't answered so far.

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I did explain. It's because evolution, being a process, not  a creator, cannot go back to the drawing board to make "improvements" Evolutionary changes occur in miniscule steps to whatever is already there and there always has to be a compromise. For example. cheetahs developed a light and agile frame to make them more efficient at running down their prey - if their legs were a bit longer and a bit lighter they would be able to run even faster but it would increase the danger of them breaking those legs and dying of starvation. So there came a point where the optimum compromise was reached. they are also unable to brether while running flat out, and that is another evolutionary compromise.

Humans evolved from quadrupeds - the changes to their pelvic structure which enabled them to walk upright were obviously beneficial, and I imagine there may also have been a certain amount of change in the structure of the spine, but it may well be that any further changes - while they might have  have made the spine more suited to a  bipedal stance, might have been detrimental in other ways.

It is possible of course that if homosapiens is still around in another million years other changes may have occurred - though with modern medicine natural selection no longer applies. 

[i-need-a-martini]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

what about a discussion on why did evolution cheat us humans out of a proper spine? {ala she ele}. I did ask but she hasn't answered so far.

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I did explain. It's because evolution, being a process, not  a creator, cannot go back to the drawing board to make "improvements" Evolutionary changes occur in miniscule steps to whatever is already there and there always has to be a compromise. For example. cheetahs developed a light and agile frame to make them more efficient at running down their prey - if their legs were a bit longer and a bit lighter they would be able to run even faster but it would increase the danger of them breaking those legs and dying of starvation. So there came a point where the optimum compromise was reached. they are also unable to brether while running flat out, and that is another evolutionary compromise.

Humans evolved from quadrupeds - the changes to their pelvic structure which enabled them to walk upright were obviously beneficial, and I imagine there may also have been a certain amount of change in the structure of the spine, but it may well be that any further changes - while they might have  have made the spine more suited to a  bipedal stance, might have been detrimental in other ways.

It is possible of course that if homosapiens is still around in another million years other changes may have occurred - though with modern medicine natural selection no longer applies. 

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Perhaps he didn't like the answer?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

what about a discussion on why did evolution cheat us humans out of a proper spine? {ala she ele}. I did ask but she hasn't answered so far.

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I did explain. It's because evolution, being a process, not  a creator, cannot go back to the drawing board to make "improvements" Evolutionary changes occur in miniscule steps to whatever is already there and there always has to be a compromise. For example. cheetahs developed a light and agile frame to make them more efficient at running down their prey - if their legs were a bit longer and a bit lighter they would be able to run even faster but it would increase the danger of them breaking those legs and dying of starvation. So there came a point where the optimum compromise was reached. they are also unable to brether while running flat out, and that is another evolutionary compromise.

Humans evolved from quadrupeds - the changes to their pelvic structure which enabled them to walk upright were obviously beneficial, and I imagine there may also have been a certain amount of change in the structure of the spine, but it may well be that any further changes - while they might have  have made the spine more suited to a  bipedal stance, might have been detrimental in other ways.

It is possible of course that if homosapiens is still around in another million years other changes may have occurred - though with modern medicine natural selection no longer applies. 

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so, can you explain to me, just what is bad about the human spine? and WHAT dictated that any further changes would be detrimental? ie that an optimum compromise had been reached?

and ... with the cheetah - 'developed a light and agile frame ....'  so WHAT dictated to the cheetah that any further developments would have been detrimental?

also, you say "Evolutionary changes occur in miniscule steps to whatever is already there" - I can handle that. In other words organs can be slightly modified - BUT NEW ORGANS CANNOT BE ADDED, so where did the organs come from in the first place - let's take the first kidney, where did the first kidney come from - how did it evolve? Because evolution or some animal decided that it would be better off with a kidneyt?