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donnashuggy · ‎14-02-2015

Admit that Tony Abbott is useless?

Disclaimer : I am not an adoring fan of the leader of the opposition.

iapetus_rocks · ‎15-02-2015

Mr Abbott is a veritable poster boy for what the LNP believe. He claims that the public opposition to his policies stems from a failure to market them and to explain them to the public.

He is useless at explaining his policies to the public because the public needs no explanation to see that LNP policies are aimed at making the average working Aussie and the average poor Aussie even worse off than they already are, and are aimed at making those who are already well off, even more so.

Cynical, greedy, mean and tricky and out of touch with what Australians want and need.

He's not so different from John Howard in his philosophy, he's just not so good at "marketing" it to the voters.

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iapetus_rocks · ‎15-02-2015

I haven't forgotten that under John Howard the govt wanted to introduce a policy called "workchoices" which would have seen every working person take a significant cut in wages just to prevent their employer hiring someone who would agree to work for less.

This nasty, mean policy lost him the election.

The LNP have learned nothing.

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iapetus_rocks · ‎15-02-2015

"So the philosophy's ok, just not the marketing?

In other words: he has the right message. we just don't like his delivery, so we're opposing it. Because we don't like his style."

No, how did you get that from my post? perhaps I'm not explaining or marketing it correctly. 😉

Surely you know what I'm saying.

Mr Abbott is truly representing what the LNP stand for and he's blaming the public opposition to his nasty, mean and tricky policies on a failure on his part to "explain" them properly.

We don't need no stinking explanations to see the LNP policies and philosophy as being anathema to those who are struggling on an average working person's wage or those who are really battling with poverty.

We don't need any explanations or smooth marketing ploys to see that the LNP policies are aimed at making those who are already wealthy, even more so and what is more . . at the expense of those who aren't.

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iapetus_rocks · ‎15-02-2015

Poddster, the discussion about workchoices has been done to death and everyone knows and understands it for what it was . . . an attempt to "auction" the right to work to the lowest bidder.

and yes, that policy lost John Howard his govt and even his own seat, the policy was that bad.

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myoclon1cjerk · ‎15-02-2015

Choosing where to work is not a luxury the low paid have.That luxury disappeared over 40 years ago,never to return.The object of Workchoices was to break down collective strength,though the funny thing is at the same time the LNP was telling us the union movement was irrelevant and toothless.How wrong PM Winston Weaselbrow was.

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i-need-a-martini · ‎14-02-2015

It's an interesting question and one I have been pondering myself.

It's one thing to fervently and blindly follow the LNP (or indeed the ALP) because you believe in their values.

But another to defend a leader who is putting his foot wrong with every move and causing enormous damage to the party. It's blunder after blunder with no policies in sight - and he will lose them the next election.

So why the absolute dedication?

Particularly now when it is clear that his own colleagues think he is useless and even his staunchest allies (Murdoch, Bolt, Jones) are starting to become critical.

i-need-a-martini · ‎14-02-2015

The other thing I don't get is why the hatred and scorn toward Turnbull?

Here is a man of LNP values, with intelligence, charisma and good leadership skills. And a man who will absolutely become the next PM if given a shot at the next election.

But The LNP supporters hate him.

I don't get it.

donnashuggy · ‎14-02-2015

It is plainly quite shallow.

What is he good at?

donnashuggy · ‎14-02-2015

He is at least likeable

poddster · ‎14-02-2015

Donna, once again you are using an assumption in your question and portraying it as fact.

Lefties do that constantly, making an unsubstantiated statement does not make it true, 🙂

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

poddster · ‎14-02-2015

Mal is a coupboard Leftie or Righty as the mood takes him, Mal looks out for Mal which is a Leftie trait 🙂

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

icyfroth · ‎14-02-2015

@donnashuggy wrote:
He is at least likeable

not to mention urbane

iapetus_rocks · ‎15-02-2015

Mr Abbott is a veritable poster boy for what the LNP believe. He claims that the public opposition to his policies stems from a failure to market them and to explain them to the public.

He is useless at explaining his policies to the public because the public needs no explanation to see that LNP policies are aimed at making the average working Aussie and the average poor Aussie even worse off than they already are, and are aimed at making those who are already well off, even more so.

Cynical, greedy, mean and tricky and out of touch with what Australians want and need.

He's not so different from John Howard in his philosophy, he's just not so good at "marketing" it to the voters.

iapetus_rocks · ‎15-02-2015

Courteous? suave? urbane?

These are not words which I'd use to describe him. No thinking person could in their wildest dreams, describe him as such.

He's aggressive, bullying, duplicitous and opportunist, and that's me paying him compliments.

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