Will Work For Dole Work?

The federal government's planned revival of the work-for-the-dole scheme won't help people into jobs and could take jobs from paid workers, critics say.

 

But the government says it's more concerned with helping the unemployed learn "soft skills" and getting them job-ready.

 

Under the coalition's planned work-for-the-dole expansion, Newstart recipients will be forced to complete some tasks which may include rubbish collection, park maintenance and gardening and painting at aged care facilities.

 

The scheme would be compulsory and anyone who refused would lose their Newstart payment.

 

"We're looking for ways in which we can create more work-like placements, such as placing jobseekers with organisations (like) local councils, where they could work in a team environment with people on various council activities," Assistant Minister for Employment Luke Hartsuyker told AAP on Monday.

 

While no date has been fixed, the scheme will be operational in the next financial year.

 

The government will pay "host" organisations to cover the costs of job requirements like workers compensation, health and safety training or police checks.

 

The Australian Council of Social Services said it was concerned the scheme would require individuals to work below the minimum wage, based on the Newstart rate of $35 a day.

 

The Australian Services Union said it could put paid workers out of a job if organisations could get free labour under Newstart.

But Mr Hartsuyker says that won't happen.

 

The scheme would not displace paid work and paid opportunities, he said.

 

The opposition has slammed the proposal, saying it could increase the unemployment rate.

 

Labor MP Andrew Leigh said a Melbourne University study conducted under the Howard government showed the scheme didn't help people into jobs.

 

"It ended up diverting people from job-search activities into work-for-the-dole activities," he said.

 

Mr Hartsuyker said the government's focus was on getting people into jobs by teaching them "soft skills".

 

"It's as simple as turning up to work everyday and being appropriately presented."

 

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I think it's right that ppl should work for the dole. You?

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Thank you Azure 🙂


@azureline** wrote:

@bella_again wrote:

Maybe let it rest guys, everyone's experiences are different...

 

Azure I haven't read much about the proposed restrictions to DSP but I do know it is very difficult to get onto DSP with the current disability assessment scales.  I'd like to read more can you point me to an article? I did read the one that said the reason why there has been an increase in DSP was because we have raised the retirement age and that the figures they are quoting are incorrect there has only been an 0.4% rise when those factors are taken into consideration.




Sorry, just saw your post Bella, I have not read a lot about it but this bothered me.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2006088/opinion-disability-support-pension-changes-unfair/

 


 

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@boris1gary wrote:

Apologies happyroo, I  didn't intend to insult you or anyone else, I did read your other post's and i think i answered one of them. Personally i think WFD programmes are simply a way of shifting the blame onto the unemployed,  i think we can train and retrain as much as we like but in the end all that we will have is highly trained unemployed people. Anway you have probably already read all the posts so i am just repeating myself.

What do you think?

 

 


boris you didn't insult me.

 

You are so right about training and retraining. Being a former long term unemployed I did so many courses at TAFE (even completed a cert 4 course). Still couldn't get a job. I worked out the other day I've been in some form of schooling for half my life.

 

In the previous WFD produced pretty parklands and nature reserves. I worked at a backpacker hostel (office work) that was also a home for disadvantaged teens and a wildlife haven. The only thing I learnt was how to feed baby wombats and joeys. I wasn't actually taught anything about office work that I didn't already know

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Feeding baby wombats and joeys sounds like fun😊
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@chuk_77 wrote:

i can not believe the amount of snobbery on this thread.

We are close to being broke as my OH is out of work (no fault of his own) and doesnt want the dole due to the stimga of it. 

Up until I read this thread I thought he was nuts, now i see it.

If you are on the dole you are a drug taking smoking alco....

Some people need to get off their high horse and see the world for what it really is



This attitude that you have very well articulated is exactly what the government wanted to occur when they threw this idea out into the community.  The idea is to demonise a group, be a red herring, make us look away from what is really going on.
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Great idea but nothing new, would give people who really want to but can't find a job a feeling of worth. Work is work, it does not matter what you do as long as it gives you self esteem and satisfaction.

People who do not want to work may just have to deal with the fact "nothing for nothing". If you work you get paid (dole) if you choose not to work then nothing because there is enough work be it helping aged people, gardening etc, no excuses anymore.


Keep it nice, I might cry if you write anything upsetting (like not)
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@spotweldersfriend wrote:
Feeding baby wombats and joeys sounds like fun😊

Yeah it was spots, one of the wombats was cute as, the other one was a bit naughty and would try to bite me.  The joeys were absolutely adorable the most gorgeous eyelashes and they would grip your hand while sucking from a bottle.

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What would help would be to spend the money instead on creating apprenticeships in fields where there is shortage of skilled labour.  Industry is complaining that they cannot fill skilled worker positions; well, help them to train their own.  That will help the presently unemployable to become employable.

 

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For those interested the below is from The Guardian (the Commo one)

 

The unemployed and people with disabilities will be the main target of the latest batch of “reforms” to be rolled out, beginning with the Federal Budget in May. The Abbott government has announced an audit to be headed by the former CEO of Mission Australia, Patrick McLure. Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews has been trying to reassure the bulk of the one in five Australians who now receive some form of income support from the government.

 

“This is essentially a limited review … It’s about the normal things, DSP [Disability Support Pension], Newstart, that sort of thing basically,” he told The Sydney Morning Herald. The capitalist system has failed to meet the basic needs of millions of Australians – starting with a job – but the Libs are determined to keep blaming and punishing the victims.

 

The federal government hopes aged pensioners and Family Tax Benefit recipients will breathe a sigh of relief and hardly spare a thought for the 650,000 people on unemployment benefits and the 827,000 DSP recipients. It would be a mistake to adopt a “she’ll be right” attitude, however. The government will eventually be taking an axe to those other sectors of social security, too.

 

The “divide and conquer” approach is also evident in a proposition to subject only new applicants to a raft of new and very draconian regulations. Newstart recipients will no longer be able to decline a job offer if travel to the workplace takes longer than 90 minutes. Advocacy and support groups have pointed out the consequences of this for single parents of children of eight years and older who were dumped onto the dole queues last year.

 

Work for the dole will be expanded. The unemployed may have to work for nothing in aged care facilities as well as cleaning streets and parks. Opposition spokeswoman Jenny Macklin has blasted the mooted changes. “Kevin Andrews should be telling people how he’ll improve services for families and vulnerable people, not floating yet another thought bubble on how to make savage cuts,” she said.

 

But these aren’t thought bubbles. They’re part of a long-term plan for governments to step out of their responsibilities to the disadvantaged and essentially hand them over to charities. Labor governments have been singing from the same neo-liberal hymn book for a long time, too. And these changes don’t save public money. Handing over the social security system to profit-making and nominally not-for-profit outfits is expensive. “Nothing is set in concrete yet, but I’m not doing this to chase savings,” Mr Andrews said.

Some measures do fall into the category of traditional budgetary pruning. Merging the Department of Human Services and Social Services and the sacking of more public servants is on the cards. The Abbott government is reigning in its verbal support to the National Disability Insurance Scheme, citing a cost blowout during trials of the scheme.

 

The big reform being sought from the audit is a single, flat, miserable welfare payment that may, or may not, be supplemented by a number of “top-up” payments according to the circumstances of the applicant. “Monolithic”, “homogeneous” welfare payments are one of government’s new enemies. Applicants will have to demonstrate their need for the various “top-ups”, who knows, maybe while standing in a queue in a fully privatised Australia Post shop. These reforms are not about simplicity, either.

Patrick McLure will be a valuable ally in this current crusade. He was a seminarian training to be a Franciscan priest before his career in social welfare. “My family had known the Franciscans for many years and I was attracted to St Francis because of his simplicity, preaching of the Gospel and his working with the most disadvantaged,” he told The Catholic Weekly. He is the author of a memoir entitled Seize the Day: From Priest to CEO that was launched by former Liberal PM, John Howard. In 2006-08, McLure was CEO of Macquarie Capital Funds’ Capital Retirement Villages Group from 2006-8 which raised $850 million of institutional funds for investment in retirement villages in Australia and New Zealand.

Under McLure’s leadership, Mission Australia became a major provider of employment and training services in the federal government’s privatised Jobs Network. In 2005, it acquired a one third stake in Working Links, a company that provides employment and training services to the UK equivalent of the Jobs Network. Mr McLure was deputy chair of the 2006-07 Welfare to Work Consultative Forum that led to the recent changes to single parent payments.

The Abbott government’s plans are pretty plain despite its sham musing and hiding behind “audits” and “reviews”. It is seeking to blame the victims of a failed, corrupt system and to divide the community while it is being robbed of its social security system. This must be met with a united response from workers and the other exploited people of Australia.

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

What would help would be to spend the money instead on creating apprenticeships in fields where there is shortage of skilled labour.  Industry is complaining that they cannot fill skilled worker positions; well, help them to train their own.  That will help the presently unemployable to become employable.

 



there used to be a time when industry trained apprentices. it costs money.

now they want someone else to train them. and if they can't get enough import them from overseas.

all about the bottom line

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OK, I know this is a little bit left field so bear with me here... Isn't the point of Work for the Dole to put people into places where they can learn the skills to find a job? I really don't see how using people for free labor because the council is too cheap to pay someone to do it is going to help anyone; on top of all this you still have to look for work and if you get an interview for a job you are expected to attend it whether the work for the dole supervisor likes it or not

 

It's not such a bad idea in theory as long as people are not forced into full time work for the dole (40 hours a week and you're still expected to look for work outside these hours, work for the dole isn't a free pass so you don't have to look for work) 

 

There are work for the dole organisations that do work around the town, ie painting benches, fixing things etc, there are also volunteer organisations who find work for participants and none of these are taking positions off paid workers becuse they are often run almost exclusively by volunteers

 

 

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You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means
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