YHWH the name of God.

[alvi.owe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wiBtYITrxM

[rabbitearbandicoot]

Just because someone said something 5,000 years ago and someone else says the same thing today - doesn't make them the same person.

Let's take the last of your examples -

Psalm 119:89 Your word, O Yahweh, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away

I agree, Jehovah / Yahweh's words are forever and Jesus/Yeshua's words are forever - it doesn't make them the same person though.

I would go as far as saying Shakespeare's words will last forever, but he is NOT GOD and NOT Jesus.

Sorry, couldn't resists putting the next verse of Mark in:

32 But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but t

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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Isa 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation: I will trust, and not be afraid; for Jah, Jehovah, is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation.

 Look! God is my salvation;

    I will trust, and I will not be afraid,
for my strength and might is Yah, Yahweh;
    and he has become salvation for me.”

2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

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Psalm 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

Hebrews5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Psalm 78:35And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

1 Corinthians 1:30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Exodus 33:14And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.

Matthew 11:28"Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Deuteronomy 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days:

Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Deuteronomy 32:39See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
John 10:28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Psalm 27:1A Psalm of David. The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
John 8:12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
1 Chronicles 28:9And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.
1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
Nehemiah 9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Psalm 24:10Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
1 Corinthians 2:8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Psalm 66:16 Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul.
Luke 8:39Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.
Psalm 62:12Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.

Matthew 16:27For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done

Psalm 119:89Your word, O Yahweh, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens

Mark 13:31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away

Psalms 78:35

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I see. What you are saying is that in the old testament God said "X" or was atributed "Y" atribute and in the new testament Jesus said "X" or was atributed "Y" atribute, so, therefore they must be the same??

Of course, I dispute that.  It's like saying that because you said "Lunch is Ready" and I said "Lunch is ready" - that you and I are the same person. It's like saying because you have brown hair, and I have brown hair, we are the same person. Please don't think I am being flippant here, but can you see what I mean.

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You are too far gone.The JW's have you.They BOTH claim the EXACT same thing.So either they are the same person or they are liars or at least one of them is a liar.Which one do you say is a liar?You cannot have it both ways.Is YHWH the LIGHT OF THE WORLD or is JESUS the Light of the world?

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Now, I was trying to be nice, and you call me names. That's not nice.

As for being too far gone and the JWs have me. This is yet another example of what I am saying - just because I believe something which the JWs also believe doesn't make me a JW.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

Let me just add another thing.

In the time of the Old Testament - GOD / Jehovah / Yahweh was ALL THOSE THINGS you mention to Israel.

When Jesus / Yeshua / The Messiah came - Jesus became ALL THOSE THINGS not only to the Jews but also the 'Gentiles'.

As Jesus is 'the image of the invisible God',  it is quite feasible that they BOTH have the same atributes - in fact the Bible says so.

The Trinity is a LIE.

[2106greencat]

owen_alvi,

you make me feel good.....

you know how sometimes you feel really down and sorry for yourself, and then you think....

Hang on, there are people out there Way Worse off than I am........

And then I see one of your posts, and think, yeah, at least I'm not that poor guy

[myoclon1cjerk]

What? You mean wasting your whole life getting ready for something that's never going to eventuate?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

owen_alvi and alvi.owe ?

I have read through ALL those pairs of scriptures that you gave to prove that Jesus IS God - I dispute all of them as having any thing to do with proof. One thing that does puzzle me - and I have read it a few times - maybe you can explain it to me.

Revelation 22:8-13

I fell down to do homage before the feet of the angel who shewed me these things.
9 And he says to me, See [thou do it] not. I am thy fellow-bondman, and [the fellow-bondman] of thy brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Do homage to God.
10 And he says to me, Seal not the words of the prophecy of this book. The time is near.
11 Let him that does unrighteously do unrighteously still; and let the filthy make himself filthy still; and let him that is righteous practise righteousness still; and he that is holy, let him be sanctified still.

12 Behold, I come quickly, and my reward with me, to render to every one as his work shall be.
13 *I* [am] the Alpha and the Omega, [the] first and [the] last, the beginning and the end.

That one sounds like the ANGEL is saying that HE is the Alpha and Omega. Of course, that is TOTALLY WRONG because he has just told John not to worship him.  I may have to investigate that one further.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

OK, I see now. The bits in quotes are the actual message from GOD that the angel is telling John about. The intervening verse are just commentary either by John or the angel.

The actual message from God then reads:

7 “Look, I am coming soon. Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

10 “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.
11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still. He who is filthy, let him be filthy still. He who is righteous, let him be righteous still.
He who is holy, let him be holy still.”

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me to give to each one according to his work.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

end of God's mesage, as delivered by the angel to John.

so, it's NOT the angel saying that HE is the Alpha and Omega, it's not even Jesus saying that HE is the alpha and omega - it's actually GOD / Jehovah / Yahweh that is saying that HE is the Alpha and Omega.

so glad I got that sorted out.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

here I am, sitting here in front of my PC, listening to Clapton, drinking a cup of Coffee, having a biscuit - this is heaven. It would be Hell if the electricity fails - that would really burn me up.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

 according to all the research I have done (admittedly only a few hours) the consensus is "he causes to be".

[k0llectable5]

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Now, I was trying to be nice, and you call me names. That's not nice.

As for being too far gone and the JWs have me. This is yet another example of what I am saying - just because I believe something which the JWs also believe doesn't make me a JW.

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I too am not a JW but I think the "average" Christian can learn alot from what they teach.  In the end all JW's do is study the bible.  And all the door knocking they do is merely an attempt to get others to study the bible with them. Part of becoming a JW is commiting to offering bible studies for 1 hour per week to anyone who will invite them into their homes. It's their way of spreading the so called "good news" (Of course you will study from the perspective of a JW) but still they cop alot of bad press but I personally think they are very misunderstood...