executions go ahead.

[bluecat*dancing]

Sad news to wake up to.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-29/both-sides-of-politics-unite-to-condemn-bali-nine-executions/6...

[the_great_she_elephant]

Then why don't you start a thread about it instead of using it as an excuse to diminish what others are feeling.

With respect, Bluecat, your OP said "Executions Go Ahead. Sad news to wake up to"  and included a link to a news article. It didn't contain any request or prescription as to how you wished people to respond. 

I'm sorry if my opinion offends you, as I have said before, it is my own personal view and not intended as a criticism of anyone else or a demand that they should agree with me

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I wasn't thinking so much of what has been said here, but all the stuff that's being reported in the media - the candlelight vigils,people weeping and comforting each other in public, the calls for a boycotts and  demandsfor the withdrawal of aid to Indonesia.

It ddn't happen when Barlow and Chambers were exectuted in Malaysia in 1986, and who remembers Van Tuong Nguyen - Hanged on December 2, 2005 for heroin trafficking (Singapore) or Michael McAuliffe - Hanged on June 19, 1993 for heroin trafficking (Malaysia) What is so compellingly different about this case.

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It could be because it has dragged on for so long and because there has been quite a lot of interest generated in their progress and we've been introduced to their families and those who care for them. Then there's the realization that it could be anyone of our children who get caught up in drugs or have done.  10 years is a mighty long time to keep them in jail thinking they won't be executed only to spring it on them at the whim of a new PM who feels the need to exert his rigidity. 

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It possibly happened but not to the same extent now, that we have more access to the media circus surrounding it. How many of us had internet and facebook then? 2005 yes but not much before 2000.

At that stage mine was restricted to business needs with some craft/quilting and not much social media at all.

No one is making heroes or martyrs out of these men........... that I have seen.

For me, they have to be just  convicted criminals and victims of a barbaric legal system.

[bright.ton42]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I can't speak for other people, I don't mean to offend anyone,  nor do I expect or demand that anyone else should share my opinion. I can only speak of my own personal feelings, and what I am feeling right now, after reading everything that has been written in the papers over the last few days and what I have seen on the news tonight is that we have all been being caught up in the same extraordinay excess of emotion that swept the country after Princess Diana died.  

I am not callous, I have already made my feelings clear on the subject of the death penalty and the horrendous way Chan and Sukamaran were treated, I felt desperately sorry for them and my heart aches for their families.  But with the best will in the world I cannot see them as either heroes or martyrs and this outpouring of grief feels to me like some weird kind of mass hysteria.

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I have not heard them referred to as heroes or martyrs by anyone except on this board. 

Also it is highly insulting and arrogant to infer that those of us who express our dismay and hurt at what happened as hysterics. 

[the_great_she_elephant]

Also it is highly insulting and arrogant to infer that those of us who express our dismay and hurt at what happened as hysterics. 

As I explained in another post, my comment about mass hysteria was not in regard to anything said on this board, it referred to the extraordinary scenes of public grief shown on the news yesterday. 

[raptor_rebooted]

i have not seen or heard anyone referring

to them as heroes or martyrs either.

The Australian Human Rights Commission is deeply saddened at the executions in Indonesia of Australian citizens Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

Commission President Professor Gillian Triggs expressed profound concern that the human rights of these two men have not been respected.

“This is a distressing time for the family and friends of the deceased, but many Australians are also feeling great sadness,” said Professor Triggs.

“My hope is that the deaths of Andrew and Myuran will stimulate a positive effort, both throughout Asia and globally, to end the death penalty.

“In recent times, we have been working with Komnas Ham, Indonesia’s human rights commission. I propose to collaborate closely with Komnas Ham to see if we can promote this objective in our region,” said Professor Triggs.

Professor Triggs says the right to life is a fundamental right in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights to which Indonesia and Australia are both signatories.

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Why? Do we not owe as much to victims of domestic violence as to executed drug smugglers. Her name was Linda Locke, her partner, who has been charged with her murder is on a methodone programme - who knows he may even have been a customer of a drug dealer being supplied by the bali nine -  her death is an unspeakable outrage, yet apart from a brief mention in todays news and probably a few more when the case comes to trial, nobody but her family will ever remember she even existed. 

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we already have laws in this country

that are supposed to protect victims 

of dv. more needs to be done hence 

all the public campaigns.

this might give you an idea why so many

australians are outraged by what happened

to chan and sukumaran:

Amnesty International extends its deepest sympathies to the loved ones of the eight prisoners in Indonesia tragically executed overnight and renews its call for Indonesia to commute all death sentences.

"We stand in solidarity with the families of all those who were brutally executed in this senseless, tragic and wasteful act of state-sanctioned murder.

"Despite promising steps away from the death penalty prior to 2013 and four years without any executions, Indonesia’s resumption of this cruel and inhuman punishment has put them well out of step with the rest of the world.

"In Australia, the deaths of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran have sent shockwaves around the country and exposed a nation to the inhumanity and cruelty of the death penalty," said Diana Sayed.

http://www.amnesty.org.au/news/comments/37089/

[bluecat*dancing]

She-ele, I would have thought that you and others are intelligent enough to not need to be led. You're entiteld to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. If you have no or little empathy for others then that is your problem. I will take offence when I am offended. I stand by what I said and will say no further other than in regards to the topic.

The priest who administered the man with severe mental illnesses said that he hadn't comprehended what was about to happen to him because the voices had told him that he would be alright.  He had to be prepared him for being put in chains because he hated to be touched. It was then that he said,“Oh no, oh Father, am I being executed?Why is this happening? This is not right, I made a small mistake, why can’t they just leave me in jail on the island and I won’t give anybody any trouble.’” That tears me up. Yes, the death penalty is such a wonderful thing.

It costs more [in the USA because they do usel lethal injection]  Those not on death row cost approx.$740k, lethal injections cost around $1.26m.

I will reiterate for the last bloody time.

No one has called the two young men heroes or martyrs except for those saying that others do. They were criminals. They were imprisoned. They rehabilitated. They helped others. They, and the others executed, were tools in a political game. The deaths were barbaric. They, and their families were treated cruelly. The Indonesian government is corrupt.

Those who want the death penalty, then move to Indonesia.

Those who don't know the history of executions in Indonesai, then research it.

Those who don't know the history of Myu and Andrew, then read it.

Those that do not know what they achieved over the space of 10 years, then learn it.

Those who need to be led, find a flock of sheep.

[*pepe]

*applauds*

[bright.ton42]

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@bluecat*dancing wrote:

The priest who administered the man with severe mental illnesses said that he hadn't comprehended what was about to happen to him because the voices had told him that he would be alright.  He had to be prepared him for being put in chains because he hated to be touched. It was then that he said,“Oh no, oh Father, am I being executed?Why is this happening? This is not right, I made a small mistake, why can’t they just leave me in jail on the island and I won’t give anybody any trouble.’” That tears me up. Yes, the death penalty is such a wonderful thing.

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Yes bluecat .......barbarism at its best. 

http://www.news.com.au/world/brazilian-rodrigo-gularte-a-paranoid-schizophrenic-on-indonesias-death-...

Read this and weep.    

Rodrigo Gularte

Gularte, 42, is a deeply disturbed paranoid schizophrenic who is facing imminent execution by firing squad, along with Andrew Chan, Myuran Sukumaran and eight others.

He has no concept of what is happening to him. When his family visits, he is constantly distracted as he searches the skies over Nusakambangan prison for the manned satellite that is stalking him.............

[bluecat*dancing]

It is against International Law to execute a person with mental and/or intellectual disabilities. Apparently, it is also against Indonesian Public Law to execute mentally ill persons and that they were to be hospitalised instead.