'pull finger out' on gas exploration

[davidc4430]

Um, what happened to clean coal?

now its gas?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-15/states-need-to-pull-finger-out-on-gas-exploration-canavan-says...

the south australian govt announces its going to build a back up power generator running on gas. a federal minister says, oh right, the SA govt is going to lumber the tax payer with a bill for a huge gas powered power generator.

wasnt the federal govt telling us they were going to build clean coal power generators only a few weeks ago? where ya think they were going to get the cash from? under a magic mushroom. every power company said well we wont be building no new coal fired generators. so that leaves us, the taxpayer.

we end up paying for pretty much everything govts do.

i love footy but i'm much happier to be contributing to power stations and hospitals than football ovals.

ok, we built a water desal plant that we really havent needed "yet" and we keep getting the 'white elephant' chants, but when we next get a prolonged drought i bet those hecklers will be demanding that desal device be running flat out so they can wash their cars on sunday.

somethings you build not knowing if or when you will need them but when the day comes your glad you have them.

like car insurance, ive had it all my life and never used it, same with house insurance.

and what was the first thing the feds said after premier weatheril made the anouncment, we will be asking our lawyers if we can stop them. how dare those south australians decide they cant trust us to build a canoe, or supply power to everyone.

oh, and why doesnt the SA govt just restart the coal powered generator that was closed down, because it was at the end of its useful life. you can only keep very old generators going for so long, they wear out. they prolly should have been shut down years ago but like most of us, we all think that old washing machines going fine.....until it practcally blows up.

[bushies.girl]

Well remember Bunnerong power station, fithy place, our house was always covered in the dirt and grime it used to belch out from it's chimneys, no EPA laws back then

Didnt say the cuts didnt happen but if it was the early 50's my parents didnt move to Malabar until 1954, maybe it had sorted itself out by them

[lyndal1838]

You may be right...I don't remember blackouts much after the mid 50s.

Yes, Bunnerong was a filthy place.  I can remember Mum having to redo the washing when the wind changed and sent the filth in our direction.   Her language was not pretty.  She knew not to even hang it out if the wind was blowing in our direction.  Luckily the sea breezes meant that it did not affect us too often.

Mum and Dad had left the area before it was decommissioned in the 1970s but I believe the older neighbours were so happy.

[bushies.girl]

Lyndal We lived on Anzac Parade, so it used to blow directly at us, dont think my ( late ) mother's language was all that good either   ..... Wow, it has changed out that way now, houses there are now worth a sm fortune   .....

[lyndal1838]

We lived on Maroubra Road, at the top of the hill near the Fire Station.

Our house was the first one in the area to be sold in 1967....the block of land was so large that they built 9 units on it.  I noticed last week that the house next door has been sold and is being developed into units too.  Over 50 years all the other properties in the area had been sold for units.  I was amused that the first and last houses to be sold were next door to each other.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

i have no idea what the condition of the snowy mountain generators is, but i have a fair idea that using water to spin the turbines isnt the same as using coal to boil water thus creating steam to turn said turbines is very much different.

hence the fact we dont have steam trains anymore.

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and it is for that same reason we should not have 19/20th century Coal ( or gas) fired steam generators generating base

load electricity in the 21st century.

re "i have no idea what the condition of the snowy mountain generators is"

yes you do, see your post 5

"i really didnt realise just how old are electricity generators were/are.

"1954 was a very long time ago for anything mechanical to still be running on a power grid."

that is why I brought the Snowy mountain scheme into the conversation. It has been generating power since the 50's

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

see this picture, that huge area of dead nothing, that is the waste water area of the port augusta power station, is there an area like that anywhere near the snowy mountain power generators?

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this is an "Ash" dam the water has been polluted by the ash removed from the furnace side of the boiler process. absolutely nothing to do with the clean water that runs throught the furnace pipes to create steam. That system is pretty well a closed loop ie only a small amount of water needs to be added infrequently. The steam created is caught, then condensed and reused

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

snowy mountain, fresh water, very soft water

port augusta, salt water, very corosive.

high corosion means metals fall apart quicker.

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No salt water was used in the production of power at Port Augusta... absolutely none.

howver search cavitation damage caused in hydroelectric power stations caused by water acting on gas bubbles. However I acknowledge that hydro power has significantly lower maintenace costs see here

http://www98.griffith.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/handle/10072/40862/70226_1.pdf?sequence=1

also notice in that PDF the initial building costs for electricity generated by different means

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

ok, so making it personal by calling people terrible and narrowminded is your way of defending your input to the conversation that actually had nothing to do with the conversation.

the conversation you felt the need to add your rants to was about the difference between the snowy mountain power generatation system and coal fired power stations like are used in many places.

the snowy mountain system which in my view is one of the truly great designs of power generatation sytems ever built has one thing most of us dont have, an abundance of fresh running water from high up to low down. if other states had mountains with snow in winter that would melt and flow to the sea in warmer months i'm sure we would all have similar systems and would prolly not be even discussing power shortages.

so us in other states until now have relied on coal fired boilers and sea water for creating power, not a long term reliable system as the boilers will corode and require replacing, plus all the pipework. i suspect thats a very expensive job. again i'm no expert but right or wrong its prolly something no one has planned for, particularly since the privateisation of the network.

so here we are in 2017 and with power stations reaching the end of their lives we suddenly find ourselves with a dilema. the private companys who have rung every drop of cash from the power systems are saying 'well we arnt building new power stations'

so its going to be the taxpayer who flits the bill with a mixture of old and new technology.

i'm sorry i called you a simpleton, it was an error.

please keep things on a general base and not personal attacks.

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David I did not call you narrow minded nor terrible. I cast aspersions upon one of your ( I am sure)  varied skills ie your internet browsing.

I certainly did not call you narrowminded howver i did label the links especially the opinion pieces that you often

supply in the plethora of threads you start as narrowminded.

I apologize if you took those observations personally but look at what I typed not at what you thought I typed

[colic2bullsgirlore]

there are "little" hydroelectric power stations all over the place that could help with base load if they were upgraded, See the link re the Nymboida

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=3110013

On the north coast of NSW there is a plethora of sites that could create green electricity. The secret is to storing the energy

created and releasing it when demand is greatest.

The system I cited in a previous post they are creating in Chile does exactly that

I refuse to accept that I need to leave my children and grand children a huge environmental debt by using all the fossil

fuel that man can possibly squeeze out of the earths crust instead of switching to renewable energy creation processes and investing money there

Projects that not only supply grreen energy but also secure water supply for the driest, hottest continent on Earth should

be paramount and not ignored because the profit margins does not suit our capitalist led financial society

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

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this is a highly efficent 21st century steam engine. I live on a property. When the grid electricity fails I need to start a diesel generator just to have a drink of water or flush a toilet.

I also need to burn off to mitigate bush fire activity. The energy released during those burnoffs ( or any fire hazard

reduction work is wasted energy.It is released into the air as a pollutant.

However if  I could buy one of these from uniflow  I could use some of the litter I burn off to create electricity to power

my property.

I understand that not evreybody has access to fuel howver the more people that aspire to become self sufficient throught greener technologies the more power that is available to those that depend soley upon grid power.