"It's Not Even a Debate"!

 

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has claimed the date of Australia Day should not be changed despite fierce debate over the issue in recent years.

 

Many Indigenous leaders have been pushing for the date of Australia Day to be moved from January 26, the date that marks the First Fleet landing in 1788 and the beginning of British colonisation.

 

A new survey released by the Institute of Public Affairs on Monday said despite the debate, 71 per cent of Australians were in favour of keeping the date as is.

 

The poll found the 71 per cent believe “Australia has a history to be proud of” and “Australia Day is an authentic way for Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians to celebrate being Australian”.

 

On Monday morning Sunrise breakfast show co-host Samantha Armytage grilled Mr Morrison over whether he agreed with the results of the poll or if he thought the date should be changed.

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/scott-morrison-shuts-down-sam-armytage-australia-day-question-015251182.ht...

 

Good on him!

 

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a couple of points that I consider relevant to this thread:

 

- the Institute of Public Affairs is a conservative leaning organisation. I think any research or survey results from any organisation that favours one side of politics should be viewed cautiously

 

- I looked at the research behind the survey findings. There were a number of questions preceding the one about the date for Australia Day. Some might say that the survey might have been skewed by including leading questions.

 

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take a look at this clip to see how leading questions can skew survey results

https://youtu.be/5k6CoJ97IOA

 

and for a read:

 

https://www.rightattitudes.com/2015/12/01/the-trickery-of-leading-questions/

 

- the two lead up questions are ones almost surely to elicit a positive response. This conditions respondents to respond positively to the third question about the date of Australia Day

 

- respondents were asked to respond to these statements "I am proud to be an Australian" and "Australia has a history to be proud of" before being asked to respond to "Australia Day should be celebrated on 26th January"

 

- the figure of 71% supporting the date could be considered questionable.  The question asked whether respondents strongly agreed, somewhat agreed, neither agreed nor disagreed, somewhat disagreed or strongly disagreed.  The 71% figure is attained by adding together the strongly agreed 55% to the somewhat agreed 16%.  Had respondents been asked simply whether they agreed, had no opinion or disagreed then it is possible that some of the “somewhat agreed” respondents might have chosen “no opinion”.  This would have reduced the 71% figure used to push this survey and story.

 

 

 

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

a couple of points that I consider relevant to this thread:

 

- the Institute of Public Affairs is a conservative leaning organisation. I think any research or survey results from any organisation that favours one side of politics should be viewed cautiously

 

- I looked at the research behind the survey findings. There were a number of questions preceding the one about the date for Australia Day. Some might say that the survey might have been skewed by including leading questions.

 

Spoiler

take a look at this clip to see how leading questions can skew survey results

https://youtu.be/5k6CoJ97IOA

 

and for a read:

 

https://www.rightattitudes.com/2015/12/01/the-trickery-of-leading-questions/

 

- the two lead up questions are ones almost surely to elicit a positive response. This conditions respondents to respond positively to the third question about the date of Australia Day

 

- respondents were asked to respond to these statements "I am proud to be an Australian" and "Australia has a history to be proud of" before being asked to respond to "Australia Day should be celebrated on 26th January"

 

- the figure of 71% supporting the date could be considered questionable.  The question asked whether respondents strongly agreed, somewhat agreed, neither agreed nor disagreed, somewhat disagreed or strongly disagreed.  The 71% figure is attained by adding together the strongly agreed 55% to the somewhat agreed 16%.  Had respondents been asked simply whether they agreed, had no opinion or disagreed then it is possible that some of the “somewhat agreed” respondents might have chosen “no opinion”.  This would have reduced the 71% figure used to push this survey and story.

 

 

 


Woman LOL

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having posted about the survey proponents and methodology, I would like to add that I think the Sunrise crew were trying to court controvesy and grab the headline act in the 24hr news cycle.  I agree that there is no debate about changing the date (this year).

 

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in the interests of full disclosure I support the retention of 26th Jan as Australia Day.  I also support indigenous peoples selecting a date for their own celebration of their culture.
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The Institue of Public Affairs or IPA is just a liberal party think tank, i wouldn't put much credence on any survey's they do, or anything they claim

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the Institute of Public Affairs is a conservative leaning organisation. I think any research or survey results from any organisation that favours one side of politics should be viewed cautiously

 

 

Along these lines, I would question any survey results from any survey commissioned by:

 

- the Australian Republican Movement

 

- the ACTU or any union organisation

 

- any political party

 

- any newspaper or media organisation

 

- any TV channel or TV show (like ACA)

 

 

This doesn’t mean I don’t trust such survey results, it just means I look at the motivation behind the survey, the methodology, and make adjustment to my reactions to the surveys as needed.

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Woman LOL


 

icy, you disappoint me.

 

I thought you might have had more to say in reply to my post.

 

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I could take your initial response as agreeing with my post in it’s entirety
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or, take it as thinking it was funny or a joke
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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

Woman LOL


 

icy, you disappoint me.

 

I thought you might have had more to say in reply to my post.

 

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I could take your initial response as agreeing with my post in it’s entirety
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or, take it as thinking it was funny or a joke

I'm sorry you don't think it's laughable...Agree. Somewhat agree. Strongly agree...

 

The 71% all agree, fgs!

 

Sheesh!

 

Woman Very Happy

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well, thanks for clarifying that.

 

I just did a google search to see what survey results/stories would come up in a search.

 

Found one from back in 2018 that was commissioned by The Australia Institute and reported on ABC website:

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-18/australia-day-debate-more-than-half-dont-mind-changing-the-da...

 

Here’s a table from that webpage showing the results:

 

 

 

 

Now, I view this story and survey results with the same caustious approach I applied to the survey linked to in the Opening Post.  The survey was commissioned by The Australia Institute (a progressive think tank).

 

So, according to this survey, 56% don’t care about the date . . . so long as there is a date.  However, I see that the 56% is made up of strongly agree 20%  and agree 35%.

 

I suppose my main interest in this thread, and any thread that links to a survey, is to study the intention of the commissioning body and the methodology applied.

 

If the Institute of Public Affairs and The Australia Institute swapped survey questions I don’t think they would report/promote the results.

 

Main take out: don’t take reporting of survey results as being gospel, look into them so you can judge the validity of the survey/results

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Public discussion boards, where posters may have strong political leanings, should not be our first place, or only place, to look to for independent, accurate and balanced opinions about surveys.

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additionally, this year’s IPA survey could be compared to last year’s IPA survey with a news article headline of “Support for 25th Jan Australia Day dropping” as the 2019 result was 75% and the 2020 result was 71%.

 

Worth a read:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-latest-surveys-on-australia-day-paint-very-different-pictures...

 

 

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