"Religious people are merely Victims. "

[the_bob_delusion]

We need more understanding. Religious people are merely victims of brain-washing and indoctrination. Challenge the idea/doctrine not the people. 

Discuss. 

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

Please explain to me who this is and why you think it's Jesus?

** I am genuine in my question. I would like to know.

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Now read Malachi chapter 3/

Whenever this special messenger of God was mentioned in the OT the Jews always understood it to be YHWH!ALWAYS!

Yet here in Malichi we see that the Messenger is the messenger of the COVENANT and He is ALSO the TEMPLE!

I will send my messenger before me even the messenger of the covenant and the Lord that you seek will come to His TEMPLE EVEN THE MESSENGER.

WHO IS THE TEMPLE?

The MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT IS THE TEMPLE.

Who is the messenger of the Covenant?

JESUS!

So the man ofd sin is in His TEMPLE! The FLESHY TEMPLE.

[evil_akuma_2002]

I didn't particularly want to engage in a battle at this time of year, as I have respect for those who choose to believe in a deity - but, as you insist on making life difficult, I'll oblige.

Is this, or is this not, your statement?

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it."

Because the above paragraph smacks to me of a pride and arrogance rarely seen outside of religious zealots!

You strut your superiority in every post - DEMANDING that we acqueisce to your wishes, and stating time and again that YOU are right - and everyone else is wrong.

Completely ignoring the fact that thousands and thousands of trained religious scholars have somehow missed this 'crucial' piece of evidence you have suddenly gleaned from a moment of 'divine' inspiration?

And you still can't see the pride or arrogance in your statements?

Further,  you still haven't told us why your interpretation of the bible is the one true version - merely alluding to the fact that your bible is right! Well, so are the other 30-odd thousand christian denominations! At least, that's what they profess - just as fervently as you.

No, you've been brainwashed, whether by parental/religious indoctrination, or by personal choice. I don't know, and don't care to know, which one.

No...your interpretation of your bible, is YOUR interpretation, and whilst it's what YOU want to believe, it's not what many others want to believe - that's why there are so many varying interpretations.

And as for your personal contacts with jesus? Well, it's a widely known and accepted fact that the human mind can conjure up pretty much anything it desires via hallucinations- including visitations by ghosts, aliens, Elvis and even Jesus!

Oh, I know you don't believe me - so please...provide us with just ONE proof of your Jesus. One proof that is demonstrable, testable, repeatable and verifiable by others.

Or admit that your belief is just that. A belief.

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

Please explain to me who this is and why you think it's Jesus?

** I am genuine in my question. I would like to know.

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So Jesus is a CURSE!The Scripture says that Jesus became a CURSE because everyone that hangs on a tree is CURSED!

The word CURSE in that Scripture means an ABOMINATION! The word CURSED means UNDER DIVINE JUDGMENT!

So ask our resident ex minister here why Jesus was under divine judgment>?If He went to the cross sinless when did He acquire the sin?

He acquired it on the CROSS when He took in the sin bodily.HE BECAME SIN.HE BECAME UNDER JUDGMENT.

The MAN OF THE TOTAL OF ALL SIN.

To fulfill this Scripture He has to be back on earth.Yet ask our resident ex minister and he will say he never taught that but ask him about the words PAROUSSIA and ERCHOMAI and He will run.

Read Zech 3.Read Revelation about the woman giving birth to the child.The CHILD has to be on earth.He has to be a sinner.He has to exalt Himself above everything taught about God.

Starting to figure it out yet?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

but it says in :

8 and then the lawless one shall be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall annul by the appearing of his coming;

9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,"

8 says: it says that Jesus will 'consume' him - I take that to mean destroy him?

9 says: that the man of lawlessness (sin) comes according to the works of Satan .... wonders of faleshood".

[lionofjudah60]

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

I didn't particularly want to engage in a battle at this time of year, as I have respect for those who choose to believe in a deity - but, as you insist on making life difficult, I'll oblige.

Is this, or is this not, your statement?

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it."

Because the above paragraph smacks to me of a pride and arrogance rarely seen outside of religious zealots!

You strut your superiority in every post - DEMANDING that we acqueisce to your wishes, and stating time and again that YOU are right - and everyone else is wrong.

Completely ignoring the fact that thousands and thousands of trained religious scholars have somehow missed this 'crucial' piece of evidence you have suddenly gleaned from a moment of 'divine' inspiration?

And you still can't see the pride or arrogance in your statements?

Further,  you still haven't told us why your interpretation of the bible is the one true version - merely alluding to the fact that your bible is right! Well, so are the other 30-odd thousand christian denominations! At least, that's what they profess - just as fervently as you.

No, you've been brainwashed, whether by parental/religious indoctrination, or by personal choice. I don't know, and don't care to know, which one.

No...your interpretation of your bible, is YOUR interpretation, and whilst it's what YOU want to believe, it's not what many others want to believe - that's why there are so many varying interpretations.

And as for your personal contacts with jesus? Well, it's a widely known and accepted fact that the human mind can conjure up pretty much anything it desires via hallucinations- including visitations by ghosts, aliens, Elvis and even Jesus!

Oh, I know you don't believe me - so please...provide us with just ONE proof of your Jesus. One proof that is demonstrable, testable, repeatable and verifiable by others.

Or admit that your belief is just that. A belief.

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FORGET about proof of Jesus or are you just so prideful you need to twist to win?

You stated you are an ex minister.You also stated your knowledge of the Bible was way up there.

YOU taught the Bible wrong.Forget whether Jesus is real or not.That for now is not important.What is impiortant is that you were a false teacher.When you believed you taught nonsense because what you taught is not what the Bible said and you are too full of pride to admit you taught nonsense.

So prove to me that the prophecy of being in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights could be fulfilled if the crucifixion was on a friday.

THAT IS WHAT YOU TAUGHT!In other words when you held yourself to be knowledgeable in the Bible you actually knew very little.So forget whether Jesus is real or not.YOU TAUGHT ABOUT HIM! And you knew very little of what you taught.Use your knowledge of the Bible and debate me on it and I will show you knew nothing.You are a loudmouth.A clanging symbol.A dog returning to its vomit. EXPLAIN Good friday and why you taught it.

[lionofjudah60]

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

I didn't particularly want to engage in a battle at this time of year, as I have respect for those who choose to believe in a deity - but, as you insist on making life difficult, I'll oblige.

Is this, or is this not, your statement?

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it."

Because the above paragraph smacks to me of a pride and arrogance rarely seen outside of religious zealots!

You strut your superiority in every post - DEMANDING that we acqueisce to your wishes, and stating time and again that YOU are right - and everyone else is wrong.

Completely ignoring the fact that thousands and thousands of trained religious scholars have somehow missed this 'crucial' piece of evidence you have suddenly gleaned from a moment of 'divine' inspiration?

And you still can't see the pride or arrogance in your statements?

Further,  you still haven't told us why your interpretation of the bible is the one true version - merely alluding to the fact that your bible is right! Well, so are the other 30-odd thousand christian denominations! At least, that's what they profess - just as fervently as you.

No, you've been brainwashed, whether by parental/religious indoctrination, or by personal choice. I don't know, and don't care to know, which one.

No...your interpretation of your bible, is YOUR interpretation, and whilst it's what YOU want to believe, it's not what many others want to believe - that's why there are so many varying interpretations.

And as for your personal contacts with jesus? Well, it's a widely known and accepted fact that the human mind can conjure up pretty much anything it desires via hallucinations- including visitations by ghosts, aliens, Elvis and even Jesus!

Oh, I know you don't believe me - so please...provide us with just ONE proof of your Jesus. One proof that is demonstrable, testable, repeatable and verifiable by others.

Or admit that your belief is just that. A belief.

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YOU are as thick as a plank.How dd this miss this crucial piece of evidence.YOU ARE NOW TROLLING!ADD UP 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS and explain how the crucifixion could be on a FRIDAY!Simple question.Answer it or crawl back to your hole.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

lionofjudah - don't get involved -Disregard the peanut gallery.

Did you read the link I gave you earlier

http://www.centuryone.com/crucifixion.html

Talk to me about Man of Sin.

[lionofjudah60]

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

I didn't particularly want to engage in a battle at this time of year, as I have respect for those who choose to believe in a deity - but, as you insist on making life difficult, I'll oblige.

Is this, or is this not, your statement?

I PROVED GOOD FRIDAY CANNOT BE CORRECT! The MATH proves it.I proved the rest using nothing but the Bible.Instead of telling me I am wrong SHOW me where I am wrong as I SHOWED you that the traditional teachings are wrong.

SHOW me how it could be a FRIDAY!SHOW me how the BIRTH could have been 4bc or 0.SHOW me how Malachi spoke of John the Baptist.SHOW me where the Bible speaks of a person called THE ANTICHRIST!

I SHOWED THEY ARE WRONG!Refute it."

Because the above paragraph smacks to me of a pride and arrogance rarely seen outside of religious zealots!

You strut your superiority in every post - DEMANDING that we acqueisce to your wishes, and stating time and again that YOU are right - and everyone else is wrong.

Completely ignoring the fact that thousands and thousands of trained religious scholars have somehow missed this 'crucial' piece of evidence you have suddenly gleaned from a moment of 'divine' inspiration?

And you still can't see the pride or arrogance in your statements?

Further,  you still haven't told us why your interpretation of the bible is the one true version - merely alluding to the fact that your bible is right! Well, so are the other 30-odd thousand christian denominations! At least, that's what they profess - just as fervently as you.

No, you've been brainwashed, whether by parental/religious indoctrination, or by personal choice. I don't know, and don't care to know, which one.

No...your interpretation of your bible, is YOUR interpretation, and whilst it's what YOU want to believe, it's not what many others want to believe - that's why there are so many varying interpretations.

And as for your personal contacts with jesus? Well, it's a widely known and accepted fact that the human mind can conjure up pretty much anything it desires via hallucinations- including visitations by ghosts, aliens, Elvis and even Jesus!

Oh, I know you don't believe me - so please...provide us with just ONE proof of your Jesus. One proof that is demonstrable, testable, repeatable and verifiable by others.

Or admit that your belief is just that. A belief.

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My threshold for putting up with idiots is very low.

You asked I answered so dont run.You claimed that all the scholars agree that Good friday is the correct day of crucifixion.They also agree He rose on a sunday.Yiu then ask how I can be right and thousdands of them wrong.

SO ANSWER ME! If He was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights and rose on a sunday could he have been crucified on a Friday?

OBVIOUSLY NOT! SO OBVIOUSLY I AM RIGHT AND THE THOUSANDS OF SO CALLED SCHOLARS INCLUDING YOU ARE WRONG!

If I am wrong then show me how you can cram 3 days and 3 nights into 3 days and 2 nights.

Otherwise admit you were wrong and go away.I have met 1000,s like you.Always know more.Always an expert.And then when PROVED wrong they run.So what is it with you? Have you got a magical calculator or will you admit to being wrong?

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

lionofjudah - don't get involved -Disregard the peanut gallery.

Did you read the link I gave you earlier

http://www.centuryone.com/crucifixion.html

Talk to me about Man of Sin.

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Yes it was either wed or thursday.I believe thursday is correct but we know it was not friday.

Anyway the man of sin.

The man who was a curse.Who became CURSED! Who carried all sin.Who exalted Himself above all that was taught about God.Who had as His Body a TEMPLE!Who showed He was God.

JESUS!

[rabbitearbandicoot]

but what about my post above?

I'll copy it here:

but it says in :

8 and then the lawless one shall be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall annul by the appearing of his coming;

9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,"

8 says: it says that Jesus will 'consume' him - I take that to mean destroy him?

9 says: that the man of lawlessness (sin) comes according to the works of Satan .... wonders of faleshood".