"Religious people are merely Victims. "

[the_bob_delusion]

We need more understanding. Religious people are merely victims of brain-washing and indoctrination. Challenge the idea/doctrine not the people. 

Discuss. 

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

but what about my post above?

I'll copy it here:

but it says in :

8 and then the lawless one shall be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall annul by the appearing of his coming;

9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,"

8 says: it says that Jesus will 'consume' him - I take that to mean destroy him?

9 says: that the man of lawlessness (sin) comes according to the works of Satan .... wonders of faleshood".

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Why does everyone accept that the MAN of SIN is the lawless one?

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

but what about my post above?

I'll copy it here:

but it says in :

8 and then the lawless one shall be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall annul by the appearing of his coming;

9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,"

8 says: it says that Jesus will 'consume' him - I take that to mean destroy him?

9 says: that the man of lawlessness (sin) comes according to the works of Satan .... wonders of faleshood".

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Here is a better question.

and then the lawless one shall be revealed

SHOW ME in the ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES where they got the word THAT? or THE.They added the word THAT or THE depending on translation.

And		g2532	καί kai
then		g5119	τότε tote
shall		g601 ↓	ἀποκαλύπτω apokalyptō
that Wicked		g459	ἄνομος anomos

[lionofjudah60]

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@lionofjudah60 wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

but what about my post above?

I'll copy it here:

but it says in :

8 and then the lawless one shall be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall annul by the appearing of his coming;

9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,"

8 says: it says that Jesus will 'consume' him - I take that to mean destroy him?

9 says: that the man of lawlessness (sin) comes according to the works of Satan .... wonders of faleshood".

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Why does everyone accept that the MAN of SIN is the lawless one?

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9 that the man of lawlessness (sin) comes according to the works of Satan 

EVEN HIM WHOSE

Show we in the Original scriptures how they got that?They added those words.The original says simply WHO,WHICH or WHAT.

They added words to make it fit their poor interpretations.

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

but what about my post above?

I'll copy it here:

but it says in :

8 and then the lawless one shall be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall annul by the appearing of his coming;

9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,"

8 says: it says that Jesus will 'consume' him - I take that to mean destroy him?

9 says: that the man of lawlessness (sin) comes according to the works of Satan .... wonders of faleshood".

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I will discuss this in the morning Rabbit.I have to go to bed.

But look at the passage using the correct Greek removing the words they added.

They made the MAN OF SIN EQUAL to the HIM WHOSE COMING!

In otrher words they made that passage about ONE man and said he was THE ANTICHRIST.

In actual fact the passage is about the CHRIST and no other.There is no one WHOSE COMING IS AFTER SATAN.

It is WICKEDNESS as a WHOLE!Not a man of wickedness but a people who are wicked.

Jesus is the man who carried all sin.Who exalted Himself above all that was taught.Who in His Temple showed He was God.

He  destroyed WICKEDNESS not a MAN OF WICKEDNESS!\

Same as the prophecy of weekks.It is clearly about Jesus yet these false teachers tell you that the devil is the one that DECREED A DESOLATION and is angry about sin.YHWH DECREED THE DESOLATION.If He didnt then Isaiah lied and so did YHWH.1000 so called scholars ran from that question.See you tommorrow.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

so, how SHOULD it read in the original?

and what about verse 8 - " whom the Lord Jesus shall consume" ?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

OK, it's 11:00pm where I am - I'm off to bed too. Tomorrow we have a big shopping day so I may not be on until later in the day.

[lionofjudah60]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

so, how SHOULD it read in the original?

and what about verse 8 - " whom the Lord Jesus shall consume" ?

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And then shall Wicked be revealed, WHICH the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 

TAKE OUT THE WORD THAT and change WHOM to WHICH.

That made the multitude into ONE!

They made all wickedness into ONE MAN OF WICKEDNESS so they could claim this one man to be THE ANTICHRIST and the MAN OF SIN.

To do it they added words and they took the meaning of TEMPLE to mean a building .They forget about Jesus being under Judgment.They deny Malachi.And they deny Zech 3.

They changed the Scriptures to make it look like a person was coming who the Jews never heard of  and the Apostolics never heard of.

JESUS is the MAN who carried all sin and who will destroy ALL wickedness.

The person called THE ANTICHRIST is an invention.

SEE you tommorrow.

[myoclon1cjerk]

Is there any mention of post Christmas sales in the bible? 😄

[aps1080]

Is that the bit where it talks about plentiful crops and such like ? LOL

[lionofjudah60]

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@evil_akuma_2002 wrote:

No 1. I have absolutely NO intention of debating the merits of a book of fairytales with you. Somehow, discussing the merits and/or truth of the finer points of a fable does nothing but leave me cold, and is at best, a futile waste of time. My days of defending an archaic book of superstition are past.

No 2. The sheer arrogance of your tone throughout your posts, (rants, really),  does nothing for your point of view other than destroy any semblance of credibility you may have once had. I am reminded of several passages out of your bible.

Proverbs 16:5, 16:8 and 26:12.

There are many more, but hopefully, you get my drift.

At every turn, your demanding arrogance and pride in yourself come shining through, just like the deluded little theist that you are. Your tone indicates the typical theist stance of being 100% right - without even the remote possiblity that you could be incorrect in your position.

Like every theist I've encountered, including myself at one time, you have deluded yourself into believing that you, and only you, have the one true and correct interpretation of your holy book, and somehow, everyone else throughout this great planet, and throughout time, has been wrong. Despite the millions of hours that have been dedictaed to researching the greatest book of fiction known to mankind, you, and only you, know the true meaning of the bible. Sheer arrogance, pride and wilful ignorance.

No, I have no intention of answering any of your questions, or debating your book of myths, as not once have you deemed my earlier questions worthy of a response - in typical theist denial tactics, you've thrown the onus back to your opponent, in the desperate hope that it will deflect from your totally unsupported stance.

I've encountered your type before. Countless times.

So conceitedly insulated in your own theistic little world, that you disregard anyone else as beneath you - so deeply committed to your narrow little world view, you fail to see how many of your cardinal rules you are breaking!

In all of your posts, you've displayed a wilful and shameless ignorance of the world around you - and I find that sad. To devote one's life to pious worship of an ephemeral deity, with nothing but a book dedicated to him as proof, rather than experience the joys of the natural world around you, in all its wonderful, evolved complexity, now seems such a waste of a life.

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You are the one who displays ignorance.You once stood in front of people and told them you knew what the Bible said and you were the expert.Now you do not believe you stand in front of people and say the same thing.YOU display arrogance and ignorance beyond belief.

You are a liar and a coward.

You claim to have the expert knowledge but you run away with a few cheap shots because you know that you dont have the knowledge.

You have a big mouth actually.

You state this and that and when called have nothing to respond with.

Tell us loudmouth,when you told the people that FRIDAY was the day of crucifixion how did you get such a simple thing wrong?YOU with all your knowledge got such a simple thing wrong.

And tell me this loudmouth.You complain about wars in the name of religion.You are a darwinian evolutionist.What right do you have to complain about ANY killing?All that killing is from your standpoint is SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST so you should applaud killing.

All you do is insult.You claim that I have deluded myself that I have the correct interpretation.NO!I PROVED IT and you like the rest of the know it alls in the world RAN LIKE RABBIT because you COULD NOT REFUTE IT!

You are so full of pride and arrogance that it is shameful.

You quote Proverbs 16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. WELL THAT IS YOU! You are the one claiming to be correct and then spouting nonsense and running without proving your case.I PROVED I WAS RIGHT with simple MATH and proved you were wrong and too proud to admit it.

In ALL your rants you have not once conceded you were wrong.

Proverbs 16:8Better is a little with righteousness than great revenues without right.

Well you are without righteousness.You are a blasphemer and as the Bible says a dog returning to it's vomit.That is you.

Proverbs

12Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.Again that is you.How much more conceited can a person be than to stand here and tell others they are wrong and yet not once try to show how they are wrong and continue to claim to be right?How conceited is that?YOU TAUGHT Friday was the day of crucifixion.I showed you with MATH that you were wrong.Instesad of admitting you were wrong  you told me I was a prideful.YOU ARE THE FOOL THE BIBLE SPOKE OF!

So tell me fool,what rules am I breaking?Come on fool and I will show you again that your knowledge of the Bible is based on mistranslation and misinterpretation.

You wont answer because you cannot answer.I showed time and time again.I have also encountered fools like you by the hundreds.Big mouths and little substance.