si all of you are happy kittens are being torn ti pieces si greedy men can make money

[wilk1149]

Four corners uncovered live baiting of greyhounds and no one here gives a **bleep**

[ufo_investigations]

On 3AW a caller asked if it is proceeds of crime. I think it is. So the prizes won should be confiscated by police, I believe.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Another thing to consider is the dogs themselves. Racehorses only give birth to one, or occasionally twin foals after each pregnancy, but greyhound **bleep**es whelp an average of 6 - 8 pups in a single litter; and according to Animals Australia: 

In the greyhound racing industry, the key to success and profitability for breeders and trainers is to have fast dogs. But only 60% of the estimated 20,000 greyhound pups born each year have the athletic capabilities and top speed to become a racing dog. Bred for no other purpose than to race and win, around 8,000 young and healthy greyhounds are discarded and killed each year without ever making it to the racetrack.

The greyhounds who do make it to the track are put at significant risk of sustaining serious injuries, such as broken hocks or legs, or head trauma, during training and racing. Up to 200 dogs are reported injured during official races each week. Some even die from cardiac arrest due to the extreme physical intensity of racing. On many occasions the injuries are 'uneconomical' to treat and the owner will instead have the dog killed. On average around 5 dogs are killed at official races each week as a result of greyhound racing. Off the track their lives may not be much better — oftentimes being kept in tiny barren pens or kennels for the majority of their lives, only released to train or race. Racing greyhounds are not commonly kept as companion animals.

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/greyhound-racing.php

[***super_nova***]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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I was listening to a lady greyhound trainer on radio this afternoon crying at the prospect of the greyhound racing industry being shut down.

"oh how am I going to feed my dogs" etc...

Ok I get her distress. If the greyhound industry were to be shutdown it would mean a wholesale putting down of innocent creatures that have been bred in the name of profit through gambling.

Still, I think the industry should be shut down.

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Greyhound racing is a multi billion $ a year industry.  Yes, if the industry was to shut down, which is not going to happen, there would be lot of dogs put down.  But that is what is happening anyway; there are thousands and thousands of litters bred every year, only those dogs that make the grade survive to 2 years, some are found home through the GAP, the rest  is put down.  And even those that show promise to start with, if they then do not live up to it, that is the end.  Here in Victoria it has to be done by vet, and people have to account for every dog they had.  I am not sure about other states; in the 4corners program they said that on one of the properties there were dead dogs around as well as remains of the animals used for baiting.

[gleee58]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Another thing to consider is the dogs themselves. Racehorses only give birth to one, or occasionally twin foals after each pregnancy, but greyhound **bleep**es whelp an average of 6 - 8 pups in a single litter; and according to Animals Australia: 

In the greyhound racing industry, the key to success and profitability for breeders and trainers is to have fast dogs. But only 60% of the estimated 20,000 greyhound pups born each year have the athletic capabilities and top speed to become a racing dog. Bred for no other purpose than to race and win, around 8,000 young and healthy greyhounds are discarded and killed each year without ever making it to the racetrack.

The greyhounds who do make it to the track are put at significant risk of sustaining serious injuries, such as broken hocks or legs, or head trauma, during training and racing. Up to 200 dogs are reported injured during official races each week. Some even die from cardiac arrest due to the extreme physical intensity of racing. On many occasions the injuries are 'uneconomical' to treat and the owner will instead have the dog killed. On average around 5 dogs are killed at official races each week as a result of greyhound racing. Off the track their lives may not be much better — oftentimes being kept in tiny barren pens or kennels for the majority of their lives, only released to train or race. Racing greyhounds are not commonly kept as companion animals.

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/greyhound-racing.php

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Wow, they're shocking statistics.

Is it an industry in reverse or do they just not walk the dogs in public as much these days?

I remember they were always walked and muzzled and we kids were warned to stay away from the dogs and the owners  😄

[the_great_she_elephant]

Glee, I think that was in the days when the industry was much smaller and most owners had only one or two dogs which they kept at home and trained themselves.

[the_great_she_elephant]

They interviewed someone from the WA greyhound associaion on the news here this evening. He was adamant that live baiting does not occur in WA.  he saidthat was because most WA owners do not 'break in' their young dogs here, they send them to kennels in the Eastern States. I still can't decide whether he is spectacularly stupid or spectacularly cynical

[gleee58]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Glee, I think that was in the days when the industry was much smaller and most owners had only one or two dogs which they kept at home and trained themselves.

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I'm more surprised that anyone actually goes to the GH races or bets on them these days.  I just assumed it was a waning industry because it was an old man's game and they all seemed to be getting older so it would die a natural death as they did.  

Where the heck do they find people under 50 that want to play greyhound races?  

Under 60 even.  I'm as shocked that the industry is still alive and thriving as I am about the cruelty.

[para-slights]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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I was listening to a lady greyhound trainer on radio this afternoon crying at the prospect of the greyhound racing industry being shut down.

"oh how am I going to feed my dogs" etc...

Ok I get her distress. If the greyhound industry were to be shutdown it would mean a wholesale putting down of innocent creatures that have been bred in the name of profit through gambling.

Still, I think the industry should be shut down.

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Greyhound racing is a multi billion $ a year industry.  Yes, if the industry was to shut down, which is not going to happen, there would be lot of dogs put down.  But that is what is happening anyway; there are thousands and thousands of litters bred every year, only those dogs that make the grade survive to 2 years, some are found home through the GAP, the rest  is put down.  And even those that show promise to start with, if they then do not live up to it, that is the end.  Here in Victoria it has to be done by vet, and people have to account for every dog they had.  I am not sure about other states; in the 4corners program they said that on one of the properties there were dead dogs around as well as remains of the animals used for baiting.

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That's very true supa_nova, one of my jobs supporting myself through UNI was with the RSPCA and the amount of greyhounds that were brought in by the same people each week to be put down was staggering (at least they took a humane option so I will grant them that) but boy the amount of dead and dying cats, possums, small dogs etc all de clawed and toothless was staggering. And of course they could never put a greyhound up for sale as we could never know their history. I distinctly remember the look in their eyes as they seemed to be the only dogs that realised their fate and just passively accepted it. Very sad and those faces haunt me still 😞

[go-tazz]

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@gleee58 wrote:

Would livelihoods be lost or is greyhound racing a part time sort of thing?

All the people I've ever known train greyhounds have had other occupations as well.

I'm surpised the GH racing hasn't died off years ago when all the old timer trainers died off.

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Greyhound racing is subsidised by the track as they need the dogs to run the races,(so they would never 

condone these sort of barbaric acts and will be fully against them as people will blame everyone in the

industry,not just the bad "eggs").

The owners and trainers need that support to be viable,(so again they would abhor this sort of cruelty).

In the country most Greyhound trainers only have between 2 and 5 dogs as there are council laws in place that

wont allow more In town it's a Max of 2 and rural living is 5 max,(it's only out to farmland and beyond where they

can have more).

My son started racing Greyhounds last year and trains them the old fashion way and he's an animal lover,(

he's fuming on how these mongrels "trained" their dogs and the ones he has spoken to all say the same thing

ban them for life,remove all their dogs,chuck them in jail and throw away the key).

The mongrels are motivated by greed and the "normal" owners and trainers do it for the love of the sport.

He was a bit a naive when he first went into it and was given three dogs to start his "career".

He did ok with a couple of them but realized why they where given to him,(they would have being euthanized

if he had't taken them).

He put two of them through the gap program but has adopted one of the others as it's not suitable for the

program,(he had to drive from the South West coast to Melbourne to do so for each dog as he wont take

them to the vet).

This shows that there is a different type of owner/trainer that's now into this industry,(he has other mates that

also race Greyhounds).

[go-tazz]

To give another perspective,(cats and dogs euthanised each year:)

https://www.rspca.org.au/sites/default/files/website/The-facts/Statistics/RSPCA%20Australia%20Nation...

This is working the same as the Gap program works to reduce the number of animals that are euthanised.