on 23-02-2015 06:10 PM
Well done tony abbot with your security address today... time to get tough with these people....
who let so many of these people tjat hate us into australia..... labor and the greens and billy and the left seems to be still supporting terrorists..
But well done abbott we need to get tough on these people... long overdue
on 24-02-2015 03:38 PM
@*julia*2010 wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:And you still haven't told us how you would react if at some future time the government of the day decides, as part of a tightening of anti terror laws, to prohibit all private gun ownership.
i'm not interested in knowing how they
would react.
And that apathy goes right to the heart of the problem. As long as it does not affect us personally we don't care.
One of the laws to be beefed under these new propoals is that pertaining to "hate speech." Most people have related this to -and Mr Abbott was referring specifically to - those muslims who preach hatred in their mosques and on social media. But the law would not - could not be that specific. It cannot cherry pick whose hate speech may be permitted and whose may not.
Some of the stuff that has been posted here regarding Muslims (as opposed to terrorists) or denigrating politicians might well be deemed hate. speech.
Some time ago there was a thread here about free speech and some people here declared that the right to free speech was absolute and journalists and broadcasters should be free to to say pretty much whatever they liked. In the light of these proposed new lawes it might be worth revisiting that thread
.
We are not going to wake up one morning to discover that overnight all our civil liberties have been stripped from us. But if we allow them to be eroded bit by bit in the panic of the moment , without looking into the futrue to foresee what the eventual consequences may be, then, one day, - . as in the hypothetical case of Vic and his gun ownership - we may wake up one morning and realise what we have permitted to happen, but by then it will be too late to do anything about it.
on 24-02-2015 03:41 PM
"we may wake up one morning and realise what we have permitted to happen, but by then it will be too late to do anything about it."
I doubt it very much.
on 24-02-2015 03:50 PM
apathy?
because i am not interested in discussing
vic's personal feelings on a public forum?
what happened to addressing the topic not
the poster etc?
on 24-02-2015 03:53 PM
gse
Banning private gun ownership still isn't going to stop terrorists and criminals buying and owning guns.
All it does is affect Law Abiding Firearms owners.
on 24-02-2015 04:04 PM
@vicr3000 wrote:
gse
Banning private gun ownership still isn't going to stop terrorists and criminals buying and owning guns.
All it does is affect Law Abiding Firearms owners.
I din't say it would - any more than cutting off Wefare payments to suspected radicals will prevent them from becoming terrorists. I merely suggested that if we concur unquestioningly with every new and increasingly draconion measure proposed by the government in the name of national security then banning private gun ownership maay well be an eventual result.
on 24-02-2015 04:08 PM
It has been part of Agenda21 and the UN Agenda for over 20 years.
The UN ties "other things" like Aid to the removal of private ownership of firearms.
Hence why I don't like the UN, or one reason.
So nothing new there.
on 24-02-2015 04:09 PM
the argument would be that the fewere guns there are in Australia the harder it would be for would be terrorists to procur them. Man Monis didn't have a gun licence but the person from whom he acwuired his gun may well have ahd one.
And before anyone leaps in to accuse me, I am NOT suggesting private gun ownership should be banned, simply pointing out the argument that might be put forwad by a government that wished to do so.
on 24-02-2015 04:12 PM
Would you be happy if a ban on private gun ownership in this country were to be applied specifically to for Muslims?
on 24-02-2015 04:12 PM
on 24-02-2015 04:15 PM
@*julia*2010 wrote:apathy?
because i am not interested in discussing
vic's personal feelings on a public forum?
what happened to addressing the topic not
the poster etc?
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Julia, you may not understand why my questions to Vic were relevant to the topic(The PMs proposed new laws to crack down on terrorism) but that does not mean thay were not in fact relevant.