turn back boats policy doomed to failure

[not_an_eloi]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/barrie-on-asylum-seeker-boat-policy-dound-to-fail/4965582

anybody watch border security - australia's front line    7 network @ 7.30 last evenin'

reality   -  far from wot abbrot and cohorts would 'ave australians believe.

why's AMSA's site been gagged from givin' australians current incident reports.   hmmm ..

[*crikey*mate*]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@the*f*word wrote:

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I think it will deter some of the economic migrants fro  coming if they are safe but just seeking a better life. But those who really are seeking safety, they won't care where they are, as long as they are safe.

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Most people would also like to have a life, they want stable environment for their kids with the possibility of good education, and therefore secure future.  Looking at your sigie, I am surprised you do not understand that. 

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I do understand that.

But to seek assylum is to seek safety. Once they are safe, then they can look to a better life. The first priority is safety. That is assylum. The rest happens once they are safe.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@acacia_pycnantha wrote:

I'm sure we save some as well. We have a refugee quota which I think is about 20,000 per year now.

Out of all of those, I'm certain that at least some of them are genuine.

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I am sure that some people who are applying through the proper channels are just looking for better life.  But I do NOT believe for one second that people who risk the lives of their children by coming by boats do so just because they want bit better life for them.  There is a plenty of info about the dangers, people getting into these boats know very well what dangers they face. 

I just wonder what would make you leave everything behind, family friends, possessions, and travel to the other side of the world, get on unseaworthy boat to get to a strange country, possibly with different religion, and often hostile population?  Would you go just because there is a possibility to earn more? 

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That pretty much sums up my thoughts as well.

I feel confident in believing that most of those who do arrive by boat seeking assylum, are genuinely in need of help and safety. I am sure that there may be the odd opportunist who has maybe already been denied through the regular channels or fears that they may not be accepted at all as they don't meet the requiremments, but on the whole, I do believe that most are genuine and absolutely desperate.

[lakeland27]

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@spotweldersfriend wrote:
Talk like a pirate? Here's how:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC_PR7YWQOc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I was also going to post a clip from Lost In Space where Albert Salmi plays a pirate a la Robert Newton,but to no avail. Arrr me hearties 🙂

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 now clear up them there shambles, or i'll feed ye piecemeal to the rats in the cellar arrr..

[**meep**]

Most people would also like to have a life, they want stable environment for their kids with the possibility of good education, and therefore secure future.  Looking at your sigie, I am surprised you do not understand that.

I don't think its a case of not understanding that but rather a case of understanding what our obligations are under the Humanitarian Program (according to the Refugee Convention)

[not_an_eloi]

don't you kid yourselves, that a coalition government won't be seekin' to change our current agreements under the convention.

[*ibis]

lets change our agreement to match the indonesians

[**meep**]

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@not_an_eloi wrote:

don't you kid yourselves, that a coalition government won't be seekin' to change our current agreements under the convention.

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Kevin Rudd indicated he would call for the Agreement to be modified to make it easier for Australia to reject refugee applications, didnt he?  What were his reasons?

[**meep**]

Eloi, what would the process be?  Is it something that can be easily achieved?  I'm reading that revising Australian interpretation of our obligations under the convention would not change our Migration Act??

[**meep**]

Sorry, I just don't know anything about that and am genuinely interested.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@*ibis wrote:

indonesia calls fed. coalition's asylum seeker policy offensive and illegal,

it fully rejects their dodgy turn-the-boats-around set-up

who cares what corrupt indonesian officials think. their days of bribes and looking the other way is coming to an end

boycott indonesia!!!!

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Oh, come on Ibis - even you can't be as naive as that.