turn back boats policy doomed to failure

[not_an_eloi]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-18/barrie-on-asylum-seeker-boat-policy-dound-to-fail/4965582

anybody watch border security - australia's front line    7 network @ 7.30 last evenin'

reality   -  far from wot abbrot and cohorts would 'ave australians believe.

why's AMSA's site been gagged from givin' australians current incident reports.   hmmm ..

[acacia_pycnantha]

Super nova wrote:

I am sure that some people who are applying through the proper channels are just looking for better life.  But I do NOT believe for one second that people who risk the lives of their children by coming by boats do so just because they want bit better life for them.  There is a plenty of info about the dangers, people getting into these boats know very well what dangers they face. 

I just wonder what would make you leave everything behind, family friends, possessions, and travel to the other side of the world, get on unseaworthy boat to get to a strange country, possibly with different religion, and often hostile population?  Would you go just because there is a possibility to earn more?

It's not just the possibility of earning more. It's the possibility of earning more than you could ever imagine in your wildest dreams (in comparison) and it's the possibility of bringing your loved ones, your family over here too. That last is the clincher.

Look at the boat people. The majority of them are young, fit, apparently educated (they speak English) males.

You send your best agent on a mission of danger. You send the one most likely to succeed.

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[poddster]

Do you think the lives of rescuers should be put at risk because someone was stupid enough to put their own life at risk deliberately

in the hopes of getting rescued?

[not_an_eloi]

if they're in australian waters, yeh,  they're bound by duty, to save 'em, from drownin'.

[acacia_pycnantha]

Should we have rescued that Tony Bullimore pom who recklessly put his life in danger in a boat which capsized in our waters?

Did we send him a bill? I think we should have.

Should we have let him drown? Well, no. But people who deliberately place themselves at risk by coming here in boats which might sink should have no expectations that they should be rescued in that eventuality.

[debra9275]

I don't like this hiding the truth

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/veil-of-silence-descends-on-asylum-boat-arr...

[izabsmiling]

After making it such a huge and concerning matter of public importance to the voters and after vowing that the policy will start making  a difference from day 1 (see link below) ....there is something incredibly dirty about hiding this information from the public.

Perhaps that is how the policy has already made a difference...people will no longer be given this information .

He has put it in there with the things the public have no need to know .

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/asylum-seeker-boats-may-not-stop-immediately...

[izabsmiling]

Hi up there Kennedia,

Stand or Fall issue ? .. Maybe it's a case of what we don't know can't hurt him ?

and imo it was marketed as though we (not he) would be the one's to fall if he didn't succeed 

[*crikey*mate*]

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@poddster wrote:

Do you think the lives of rescuers should be put at risk because someone was stupid enough to put their own life at risk deliberately

in the hopes of getting rescued?

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Thousands of Surf Life Savers save silly people from the surf every single day.

The Coast Guard does the same.

Lots of silly people out there, even ones that already live here.

Should our SES workers risk their lives in storms helping people who were too silly to maintain their homes? So many of their call outs could have been prevented, yes, many are genuine and would be difficult to plan for, but there are a lot that aren't too.

Some people just don't think it "will happen to them" and others are fleeing from a fear far worse than the possibility that their boat may sink.

[kennedia_nigricans]

yep we are falling.... the western word would laugh themselves silly if they knew, but luckily we are the bleep end of the word and they won't notice if we are lucky until we have someone more suitable for the 21 century

[not_an_eloi]

things aren't goin' too well, bishop and the lib/rnats appear to be rilin' up the indonesians, no end.

Indonesia's foreign minister Marty Natalegawa divulges contents of talks with Julie Bishop

By Indonesia correspondent George Roberts, staff

Updated 15 minutes ago

Photo: Marty Natalegawa met Julie Bishop in New York this week (ABC TV)

Map: Australia

Indonesia's foreign minister has divulged the contents of his private discussions with his Australian counterpart Julie Bishop, warning the Government's asylum seeker policies could damage relations.

Marty Natalegawa met the new Foreign Affairs Minister in New York this week and the two spoke at length about a range of issues.

In an unusual step, Dr Natalegawa's department has issued a press release revealing details of the discussion, which included Australia's plan to turn boats back to Indonesia.

Indonesia has repeatedly warned against the policy, which is part of Operation Sovereign Borders, the Coalition's regional action plan against people smuggling.

The statement says unilateral measures taken by Australia would potentially risk the close cooperation and trust between the countries.

It says Dr Natalegawa reminded Ms Bishop that the issue of asylum seekers should be dealt with through existing regional cooperation arrangements.

It also also says Australia wants to work "behind the scenes" and "quietly" on the issue to prevent too much publicity.

Audio: Correspondent George Roberts discusses the statement (PM)

The ABC's Indonesia correspondent George Roberts has told PM the statement was "written in Bahasa Indonesia, the language of Indonesia".

He says the statement is a rare move from a nation that is usually much more circumspect in diplomacy.

"Even in recent history, the foreign minister has been very reluctant to speak openly and has been very diplomatic about it," he said.

"So this kind of language is quite strong and quite interesting indeed.

"The foreign minister actually states in this press release that Australia and Indonesia need to take stock in order to identify common interests and that both countries need to basically take a joint approach to this, so it's almost like going back to square one and starting again."

Prime Minister Tony Abbott is due to visit Jakarta next week.

but wait, there's more, folks