welfare reform

[dellynt]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/a-tale-of-two-families-sydneys-work-and-welfare-divide/sto...

welfare reform 'has to happen

40 per cent of children from jobless households on welfare by age 20

39 per cent of children follow parents’ footsteps and live off taxpayer

12 per cent of children under 14 are growing up in jobless families

[digupatin]

Whenever the Libs are struggling for credibility they always try to deflect attention from themselves onto the people least able to defend themselves.

If it's not the pensioners or uni students being singled out it's people who generally through no fault of their own are unable to find suitable employment.

With the unofficial employment rate alleged to be well above the official rate the obvious way to go IMO is create more jobs - real jobs with a future.

More people in paid employment means less so called 'handouts' as they pay taxes, which in turn helps cover the costs of government payments to the less fortunate.

Libs will never learn.

[wilk1149]

Compulsory national service. Great idea. Then after two years you have a deadly weapon with no job.

[digupatin]

Plus needing full time counselling for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

[opmania]

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@wilk1149 wrote:
Compulsory national service. Great idea. Then after two years you have a deadly weapon with no job.

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I'm pretty sure you don't get to keep your weapons after you leave the military forces

but you may leave there with a sense of discipline and self worth and being a team whilst earning good money

and you would have got out of  bed with a purpose for two years which may have broken a cycle of depression or laziness or

hopelessness whatever your case may be

[cherry*135]

Compulsory military service for unemployed is a dud suggestion. 

1. It is not the militaries job to keep unemployed youth occupied.

2. Armed forces personnel don't want to be stuck working/ living with people who don't want to be there. 

3. Who is going to fund such a scheme?  How many more Armed Forces personnel would be needed to train/supervise these unemployed people? Do people join the Armed Forces just so they can supervise/train unemployed youth?

4. Discipline aside - what useful work skills is a unemployed person going to gain. They may not have the skills/education required/brain power to undertake a trade (mechanic, cook) etc. Being a foot solider isn't going to get them a job. Apart from that Defence force wouldn't want to pay people to do apprenticeships etc, when they aren't Regular Force.

Two years is a long time to spend polishing shoes and going on parade or learning to be a kitchen hand etc.

[opmania]

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@am*3 wrote:

Compulsory military service for unemployed is a dud suggestion. 

1. It is not the militaries job to keep unemployed youth occupied.

2. Armed forces personnel don't want to be stuck working/ living with people who don't want to be there. 

3. Who is going to fund such a scheme?  How many more Armed Forces personnel would be needed to train/supervise these unemployed people? Do people join the Armed Forces just so they can supervise/train unemployed youth?

4. Discipline aside - what useful work skills is a unemployed person going to gain. They may not have the skills/education required/brain power to undertake a trade (mechanic, cook) etc. Being a foot solider isn't going to get them a job. Apart from that Defence force wouldn't want to pay people to do apprenticeships etc, when they aren't Regular Force.

Two years is a long time to spend polishing shoes and going on parade or learning to be a kitchen hand etc.

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I wouldn't expect you to agree but instead of trying to discredit everyone elses opinion that you do not agree with maybe you could put your own ideas forward about the topic - welfare reform

[bushies.girl]

Nothing "sensational" about people choosing to live on welfare, sad really......

[opmania]

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@bushies.girl wrote:

Nothing "sensational" about people choosing to live on welfare, sad really......

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and there will be a lot more joinong the que in the future that situation is not going to get better by itself

[bushies.girl]

Sad for those who really want to work for a living, not everyone does

[bella_again]

No you are right but who chooses to live on welfare?  I've met very few, most don't get a choice its the only way they can survive because there are simply not enough jobs out there.

I am thinking that maybe we need to do a lot more at High School level, ie jobs need to be created to get young people into the work place from school or into higher education to stop them falling through the gaps.  If we can get this generation of young people out of the welfare cycle a lot can be done to ensure more people stay working throughout their life times.

But again this takes good policy and job creation.  That in itself is only part of a solution there needs to be a multi faceted approach. We need to address the issue of no work for those who are already in that cycle.  Funding job centres 41 million to do something that isn't working is not the answer either.