welfare reform

[dellynt]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/a-tale-of-two-families-sydneys-work-and-welfare-divide/sto...

welfare reform 'has to happen

40 per cent of children from jobless households on welfare by age 20

39 per cent of children follow parents’ footsteps and live off taxpayer

12 per cent of children under 14 are growing up in jobless families

[opmania]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@opmania wrote:

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I wouldn't expect you to agree but instead of trying to discredit everyone elses opinion that you do not agree with maybe you could put your own ideas forward about the topic - welfare reform

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Just explain how can the 800 000+ people needing work all get a job if there is only about 150 000 jobs available, and most are part time, which is not enough to support most people.  No amount of welfare reforms is going to change those facts. 

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with the money spent on unemployment benefits there is nothing wrong with young people doing some kind of physical activity that

remotely resembles work and actually work for the money they recieve .

older people who are unemployed between 60 years and retirement age have to do 15 hours voluntary work every week

so youv'e got 60+ year old being forced to work and 20 year old encouraged to lay about for the rest of their lives

sounds fair to me

[poddster]

Nove I am not suggestion that they should be trained to the level of fully fledged combat personnel. What I am suggesting is training to adhere to some kind of formal routine, to be part of a team and perhaps some further training in some trade and some further education

under close supervision and discipline.

[poddster]

Sounds fair to me as well. I wonder how it sounds to the professional welfare recipient

[the_great_she_elephant]

How many "work for the dole" schemes have been created over the past 40 years, say, and how many of them have been successful?

[poddster]

There is nothing wrong with the concept.

The problem is that neither major party is willing to enforce it because it would be unpopular.

So the country is spiralling into a deep the hole of of a welfare society.

That is unsustainable

[opmania]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

How many "work for the dole" schemes have been created over the past 40 years, say, and how many of them have been successful?

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well maybe this time they might be able to get it right

what would you suggest? how can we employ more people than job possibilities

can't be done, so something has to be done to make our young people worthwhile members of the community

and your previous comment 0f Unthinking Obedience does not relate to anyone I have known in the Australian Military

quite the opposite . And there is a huge difference between obedience and discipline

[poddster]

In this age of 'Entitlement'  the attitude is that you are entitled to be looked after just because you have been born.

It is an ingrained instinct that has been carried over from prehistoric times when the survival of the species depended on that concept.

It has grown out of all proportion and the species is not under threat of extinction due to lack of numbers.

[bright.ton42]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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I suspect it applies to the top brass of all political parties.

I grew so rich that I was sent
By a pocket borough into Parliament.
I always voted at my party's call,
And I never thought of thinking for myself at all.

(Gilbert and Sullivan: HMSPinafore).

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I love G & S as they had no illusions whatsoever. 

[***super_nova***]

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@poddster wrote:

There is nothing wrong with the concept.

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There is absolutely everything wrong with that concept.  The purpose of army is  to protect us, not to train, educate our kids, or belt some sense into them. 

And you still did not explain who would pay for it all?  The infrastructure, the trainers, people who devise the scheme.......etc.

Why army?  Why not the police academy?  Or hospitals?  They are just as unequipt to deal with something like this.

And again; if there are no jobs for young people does not matter what training they get. 

[poddster]

Did you miss this post Nove?

A 2 year national service would go a fair way to take up the shortfall. And not only in the military

The unemployed recipients are already being paid by the taxpayer with no return from them back to the taxpayer.

Get the dole bludgers off their butt and earn their keep, part of their keep any way.