on โ03-11-2020 08:27 AM
on โ08-01-2021 12:52 PM
Yep - a peaceful picnic in DC.
WASHINGTON โ Four people are dead, 83 are arrested and 50 DC Police officers were injured amid pro-Trump riots and demonstrations near and at the U.S. Capitol Wednesday, DC police say.
So far - so good.
on โ08-01-2021 01:30 PM
pretty frightning when talk show hosts can nail whats going on better than elected members of govt
the police were inept
why?
because these were white people?
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on โ08-01-2021 01:45 PM
Police response to pro-Trump protesters was different to Black Lives Matter.
so now because so many of the worst of these morons are anti mask people identifiying them should be easy, lets see just how many are found and prosecuted.
on โ08-01-2021 01:50 PM
Donald Trump 'outraged' by 'violence, lawlessness and mayhem' of US Capitol riots
outraged when he himself stood in front of these violent lawless mayhem makers a short time before they walked to the congress building and said 'come on, lets go there now. i'll be there with you, lets go let them know we wont stand by and let them allow the election to be stolen from us. we will all go for a walk to there, its not far.'
and off they went
BUT (theres allways a but)
where was donny?
did his heel spurs stop him from walking AGAIN!
on โ08-01-2021 02:14 PM
Worth a long read - from WSJ (Wall Street Journal) - a long time cheerleader of Trump.
Fueled by lies about a stolen election, protesters overran police and stormed Americaโs seat of government on Wednesday, forcing a lockdown of the U.S. Capitol and a 6 p.m. city curfew. This sounds like a dispatch from some foreign correspondent in an unfortunate land. Instead it was President Trumpโs parting gift to Washington, and the country, for denying him a second term.
Wednesdayโs joint session of Congress was supposed to be a ritual of American democracy, memorializing Joe Bidenโs Electoral College victory. As lawmakers met, Mr. Trump was speaking at a โSave America March,โ where he vowed never to concede. โWeโre going to the Capitol,โ he urged the crowd, to โtry and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.โ
There the protesters marchedโand then some. After Rep. Paul Gosar and Sen. Ted Cruz objected to the counting of Arizonaโs 11 electors, the two chambers retired to consider it. The Senate debate lasted less than an hour. Rioters breached the building, and the Vice President was suddenly whisked from the floor. In the House, lawmakers said they were given gas masks and told to lie on the floor. A woman was shot and killed, and police officers were injured.
What a disgrace. The trespassers should be arrested, and the maskless ones can probably be identified long after the fact. Where was the police presence in Washington? Once the mob was inside, the call went out for backup from Virginia and Maryland, and the National Guard was activated. But itโs a scandal that the U.S. Capitol wasnโt better protected on such a significant day.
To the extent that the congressional debate was allowed to happen, it went in the right direction. Mr. Trump has been publicly pressuring Mr. Pence, the presiding officer of the joint session, to invalidate Mr. Bidenโs electors. As Congress gathered, Mr. Pence released a statement saying he would refuse to do so. โMy oath to support and defend the Constitution,โ he wrote, โconstrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.โ
This is correct in law. Anything else from Mr. Pence would have been a power grab, precipitating a constitutional crisis. Donโt forget, as our friends at the New York Sun point out, that the Vice President is his own duly elected constitutional officer, not the Presidentโs lackey.
But Mr. Trumpโs vision of loyalty consists of loyalty only to himself. โ Mike Pence, โ he tweeted soon after, โdidnโt have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution.โ
Senator Cruzโs effort to defend objections to Mr. Bidenโs electors was woeful. โRecent polling shows that 39% of Americans believe the election that just occurred โwas rigged,โโ he said. โWhat does it say, to the nearly half the country that believes this election was rigged, if we vote not even to consider the claims of illegality and fraud?โ
Mr. Cruz laments the fire as he wields a flamethrower. To the extent that Mr. Trump has made fraud claims in court, theyโve been dismissed. Yet without evidence, he keeps saying that thousands of ballots were faked or shredded or altered by hacked Dominion voting machines. The correct response is to push back against conspiracy theories, not to fan the anger and fund-raise off the credulous.
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was right on point. โWe are debating a step that has never been taken in American history: Whether Congress should overrule the voters and overturn a presidential election,โ he said. โI have served 36 years in the Senate. This will be the most important vote Iโve ever cast.โ The November election, Mr. McConnell added, was done under โbizarre pandemic proceduresโ that shouldnโt be repeated. That said: โIf this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral.โ
Sen. Pat Toomey stepped up as well. What the objectors are asking, he said, is โto federalize electionsโ by โhaving Congress select the President of the United States instead of the American people.โ As for Mr. Cruzโs idea of an Electoral Commission to do an emergency audit: โA commission? Really? Itโs completely impractical, and we all know it, with 14 days to go before a constitutionally mandated inauguration.โ If Congress is going to reject state electors, every losing party will want to do it every four years.
Mr. Trumpโs refusal to accept his loss, and the false hope he gives to his supporters, is validating the worst things his critics have said about him. He is being enabled by Rudy Giuliani and Peter Navarro, but also by people like Mr. Cruz and Sen. Josh Hawley, who surely know better. The 74 million Trump voters have genuine concerns about the country, and they deserve better than to be misled. The proper response now is for all Republicans to drop their objections to the state electors and ratify themโand Joe Bidenโs electionโby acclamation.
Mr. Biden will become President at noon on Jan. 20, and until then the police need to restore order with as much force as necessary. Republicans especially need to speak against trespass and violence. As for Mr. Trump, to steal some famous words deployed in 1940 against Neville Chamberlain : โIn the name of God, go.โ
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-disgrace-on-capitol-hill-11609979276?mod=hp_opin_pos_1
on โ08-01-2021 02:36 PM
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:US Capitol locked down as Donald Trump supporters clash with police
If any clashed with police they were not likely Trump supporters
Like to justify that opinion with some facts?
The crowd was not menacing or fired up - not exactly storming the Bastille, or else the bumbling Police would have opened up - and note there is no reporting of wide spread shootings or general anachy , unlike other protests
Storming the Capitol, which is the American equivalent.
I guess we now know, for future reference, how wedded to facts you are. Which is not very.
DC did not burn - it was basically peaceful
on โ08-01-2021 02:48 PM
Gotta love - the re-definition of ' Peaceful '.
on โ08-01-2021 03:00 PM
@domino-710 wrote:Yep - a peaceful picnic in DC.
WASHINGTON โ Four people are dead, 83 are arrested and 50 DC Police officers were injured amid pro-Trump riots and demonstrations near and at the U.S. Capitol Wednesday, DC police say.
So far - so good.
One shooting death by security ( a 14 year female Air Force veteran who had 4 tours in battle zone - another "cologne incident" in the making) ) and 3 deaths from " separate medical emergencies " - so really at most 1 death that is pertinent
In a land where mass shootings are defined by 3 or more fatalities - and shootings at schools are frequent events - this rally would be considered mild - as evidenced by the early minimal security , unless was contrived to give enough rope....
What is not mentioned much is that most of the protesters were at some nearby park and later about 1000 broke away and marched to the Senate building - therein is a story untold
What was the mood at the park ? how many were there ?
on โ08-01-2021 03:22 PM
That carp isn't even worth addressing.
on โ08-01-2021 03:30 PM
Peaceful? 50 police injured, windows broken, the building vandalised. ONE person dead as a result is too many. Why do you think 3 is some sort of threshold for a riot? And would the 3 that weren't directly killed have still been alive if there was no riot? Very likely. Or do you consider them collateral damage?
it doesn't matter how many stayed in the park. Those that didn't were rioters. Rioting is not generally defined, except by apologists, as peaceful.
