on 03-11-2020 08:27 AM
on 07-01-2021 04:27 PM
on 07-01-2021 04:46 PM
The crowd was not menacing or fired up??
The crowd stormed the Capitol and there have been 4 deaths so far. I hate to think what the damage might have been if they were fired up.
on 07-01-2021 09:14 PM
@lyndal1838 wrote:The crowd was not menacing or fired up??
The crowd stormed the Capitol and there have been 4 deaths so far. I hate to think what the damage might have been if they were fired up.
"As chaos ripped through Washington, D.C., on Wednesday afternoon, President Trump quietly slipped into his motorcade to be whisked back to the White House, despite having told his supporters that he was going to walk with them to the Capitol Building."
Guess the bone spurs were playing up again
on 07-01-2021 09:19 PM
@rogevibe wrote:
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:US Capitol locked down as Donald Trump supporters clash with police
If any clashed with police they were not likely Trump supporters
Like to justify that opinion with some facts?
The crowd was not menacing or fired up - not exactly storming the Bastille, or else the bumbling Police would have opened up - and note there is no reporting of wide spread shootings or general anachy , unlike other protests
Storming the Capitol, which is the American equivalent.
I guess we now know, for future reference, how wedded to facts you are. Which is not very.
07-01-2021 09:21 PM - edited 07-01-2021 09:22 PM
"Australian prime minister Scott Morrison says he is hoping for a peaceful transfer of power in the United States as he condemned rioters for “terribly distressing” acts of violence in storming the Capitol building.
But he stopped short of criticising Donald Trump for sending mixed messages when the president asked his supporters to disperse, and also declined to rebuke one of his own backbench MPs for promoting unfounded conspiracy theories over the US presidential election results."
on 07-01-2021 09:29 PM
ScoMo in a nutshell.
I'm not sure why he would think implicitly supporting a lame-duck whose party won't have any legislative influence for at least 2 years (well after he has to face his own electors) will help him, or his party.
I didn't do 'failed advertising executive 101' though.
on 08-01-2021 08:15 AM
@davidc4430 wrote:
it was flint lock pistols n rifles not AK47s
the govt didnt have a multi level armed force so the idea of 'the people' rising up and taking control could have been possible (back then)
so while today they still spout the 'we have the right' only a daft twitt would think even with high power weapons of today, a handful (in context) well armed citizens wouldnt stand a chance in a govt coup
if the govt forces were given free range to do what they do to quell the morons with guns it would be over in about 1 day IMO
these idiots today were relying on their numbers and that the police at the scene would most likely not shoot to kill
of course i fully expect the govt to now fortify the congress building making it near on impossible to try this again
As far as weaponry goes, you know that, I know that, but we're talking about the American public here. Quite a few of them hold onto the idea that gun possession is necessary in case they ever need to defend themselves against others or even a corrupt government.
I think part of the problem in USA is their very name is a misnomer at the moment. They are very disunited, especially over the last year. They can't pull together, they can't agree on anything, even wearing masks became a political issue, not a medical one. From what I have seen, they have had poor, weak leadership right across the board, state and federal. They have got used to rioting at the drop of a hat. We've seen them hurting each other in riots, destroying buildings in riots, having nearly every protest descend into violence.
So the question to my mind is why is anyone surprised by this latest? It is just another building. Nothing & no one is sacred.
From what I saw, quite a few of the protestors were not violent, they seemed more intent on getting photos, but in any protest, you'll often get a violent element and when it comes to American protests lately, you can change 'often' to 'always'. Predictable.
on 08-01-2021 08:58 AM
from what i'm hearing today
even after yesterday where trump incited an angry mob to mach to capital hill, break down the barriers and threaten the lives of both elected and civilans
even after THAT
the republicans have burried their heads in the sand and are refusing to act against the insane maniac they call president!
mike pence is AWOL
the man who has the power to remove trump imediatly has gone into hiding
i guess yesterday just wasnt bad enough
08-01-2021 12:19 PM - edited 08-01-2021 12:21 PM
@davewil1964 wrote:
@rogevibe wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:US Capitol locked down as Donald Trump supporters clash with police
If any clashed with police they were not likely Trump supporters
Like to justify that opinion with some facts?
Individuals clashing with police when the main body of protesters , who have gathered in support of the President and are clearly calm , would with reason undermine the President.
Same with entering the Senate in an unruly manner and some vandalising
Outside the Police were behind low containment grid barriers and where not provocative
One has to make allowance for the mentally unsound , who are part of any gathering , unless the actions of trolls/ringins/trouble-makers become violently dominant or the objective is clearly a major feasible uprising ( aka "Boston Tea Party" of 1773 )
Is a shame the main body of protesters did not deal with the troll/hotheads or maybe they did - you can catch video of mass protesters were grouped outside Senate building with riot squad calm and non-defensive -and without barriers
on 08-01-2021 12:26 PM
@springyzone wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:
it was flint lock pistols n rifles not AK47s
the govt didnt have a multi level armed force so the idea of 'the people' rising up and taking control could have been possible (back then)
so while today they still spout the 'we have the right' only a daft twitt would think even with high power weapons of today, a handful (in context) well armed citizens wouldnt stand a chance in a govt coup
if the govt forces were given free range to do what they do to quell the morons with guns it would be over in about 1 day IMO
these idiots today were relying on their numbers and that the police at the scene would most likely not shoot to kill
of course i fully expect the govt to now fortify the congress building making it near on impossible to try this again
As far as weaponry goes, you know that, I know that, but we're talking about the American public here. Quite a few of them hold onto the idea that gun possession is necessary in case they ever need to defend themselves against others or even a corrupt government.
I think part of the problem in USA is their very name is a misnomer at the moment. They are very disunited, especially over the last year. They can't pull together, they can't agree on anything, even wearing masks became a political issue, not a medical one. From what I have seen, they have had poor, weak leadership right across the board, state and federal. They have got used to rioting at the drop of a hat. We've seen them hurting each other in riots, destroying buildings in riots, having nearly every protest descend into violence.
So the question to my mind is why is anyone surprised by this latest? It is just another building. Nothing & no one is sacred.
From what I saw, quite a few of the protestors were not violent, they seemed more intent on getting photos, but in any protest, you'll often get a violent element and when it comes to American protests lately, you can change 'often' to 'always'. Predictable.
Different country of different influences due to history , ethnic mix , function , conditioned attitudes , ethos - they make decisions more skewed towards favouring commerce and capital gain
Mistake to think they will respond to a situation the same as Australia
