who will win? Trump or Biden?

[davidc4430]

vote now

[not_for_sale]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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@davewil1964 wrote:

So you didn't bother to read NFS's post, pointing out that it's not a criminal trial?

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The American senate is trying the holder of the highest office in the land of some of the most serious charges imaginable against the  institutions that are the foundation of the American Democracy.

Just because the trial is taking place in the senate rather than a court and the judge, jury and executioner are politicians rather than expertly trained judges are you and others seriously suggesting the result should not be based on the very highest standards of evidence, rather than hearsay and emotion ?  

If that truly is your position, God help global democracy because no one else will be able to..

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What are you going on about? Nobody is seriously suggesting anything you wrote. The claim that this impeachment is based on hearsay and emotion is coming from you. If that truly is your position, then there is no point in discussing the evidence. The US Senate is more dignified than you give them credit for.

[the_great_she_elephant]

Judge Jury and Executioner?  Who's being emotive now?

[the_great_she_elephant]

Youre not making sense, Chameleon. In one post you say I tend to think he knew what he was doing in inciting the mob.

Yet only a few posts further on you claim there was no difference between those callied for his impeachment and those who callied for the lynching (literally) of the Vice President. 

[chameleon54]

We are just going around in circles now. Ive got better things to do. 

We will have to leave it up to the American senate to decide. Only then will we know who on this board is right and who is wrong...........

[davewil1964]

Regardless of the outcome, none of us will be right or wrong.

Don't you have sheep to shear, or fruit to pick, in the absence of  slave labour?

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

We are just going around in circles now. Ive got better things to do. 

We will have to leave it up to the American senate to decide. Only then will we know who on this board is right and who is wrong...........

 

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No, the outcome will have nothing to do with who is right or wrong, or whether there or not there  is enough hard evidence (something which none of us are qualified to judge anyway). It will depend entirely on whether enough Republicans are willing to cross the floor - and I suspect we all know the answer to that.

[domino-710]

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[lalbo-81]

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@rogevibe wrote:

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@lalbo-81 wrote:

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@rogevibe wrote:

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@not_for_sale wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

Donald Trump's impeachment trial opened with a dramatic video of how the violence unfolded at the Capitol

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/the-video-shown-on-day-one-of-trumps-impeachment-trial/131362...

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Incited by the President, at least 7 killed, and the mob went to the Capitol to hang the Vice President. Trump told them he loved them after this happened. Unbelievable.

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If that was true the assembled multitude would have leveled the Congress building , brick by brick

35,000 gathered for the photo-shoot - a couple of dozen trouble makers , 52 arrests 

Now the vexing pr issue is the speed in which the good Senators fled the scene rather than standing their ground and facing off the hot-heads as noble guardians of democracy would be expected 

The President in hindsight I am sure would regret not making clear that none were to enter the building and made known the issue of orders to shoot to kill by the Presidential Guards in the case of a breach - as was during a Senate democratic process in session

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You are one of 2 things, Rogespeed. Clueless, or an expat who supports a madman. I hope it's the former. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, and you do MY country and the sane people here a grave disservice with your idiotic description and stupid accusations. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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look around and smell the roses - the bastion of the republic is being breached by a " murderous armed mob"  and yet there is obviously no " use of lethal force" order ? a bit odd ?  

Also if the roving intruders were so violent how could one solitary guard stop and delay said "crazed" mob at the internal stairways , when 300 police spartans could not hold them back at the entrance choke points ? 

Also why was there not wanton destruction of priceless paintings and furniture etc , and no fires ? no fires by a crazed enraged mob of people ? 

Ah the ultra extreme right , violent ? could be , but with sensitivity and respectful of public property  - a new form of civil unrest

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You have done virtually NO research, have you? You're just repeating what you see/hear on Fox. I was right, you're clueless. And rude. 

[lalbo-81]

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@rogevibe wrote:

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@not_for_sale wrote:

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@rogevibe wrote:

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look around and smell the roses - the bastion of the republic is being breached by a " murderous armed mob"  and yet there is obviously no " use of lethal force" order ? a bit odd ?  

Also if the roving intruders were so violent how could one solitary guard stop and delay said "crazed" mob at the internal stairways , when 300 police spartans could not hold them back at the entrance choke points ? 

Also why was there not wanton destruction of priceless paintings and furniture etc , and no fires ? no fires by a crazed enraged mob of people ? 

Ah the ultra extreme right , violent ? could be , but with sensitivity and respectful of public property  - a new form of civil unrest

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So what is your point? Are you suggesting that the roving intruders were the good boys who were sensitive and respectful of property while they were being violent? I suppose that justifies the 7 dead in your mind?

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7 dead ? I seem to note 5 deaths , with one of five pertinent riot violence  , that being the police officer who was deliberately struck with a fire extinguisher - the others were tragic misadventure , trampled , falling off the wall, accidental self-tazering effects, the other an odd shooting by security 

The protesters violently confronting police should have been separated from the crowd and marched away , no protesters should have been allowed in the building, those that breached the building should have been subject to lethal force if necessary 

the question is - why was events allowed to degenerate given the vast resources of the United States ? Why is there so much spin when the facts would be condemning enough ? 

Is not Congress the seat of democracy ? 

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DO THE RESEARCH! Trump's man Miller refused to allow ANY use of force, AND refused to allow body armor to be worn, and that's just the tip of the iceberg you're crashing on, son. 

[lalbo-81]

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@davewil1964 wrote:

 the others were tragic misadventure , trampled , falling off the wall, accidental self-tazering effects, the other an odd shooting by security 

Really? Trampled would have happened if the place wasn't being invaded? Falling off a wall? Odd shooting? What's odd about shooting an invader, or being shot by one, that's not pertinent to the riot?

You really need to stop defending the orange one and his minions. Facts have shown your POV to be, at best, reprehensible.

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Is he defending the giant orange baby or manufacturing a conspiracy theory?

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Yes, he's defending the mad orange one, and no, he's manufacturing nothing, he's simply repeating what he sees the talking heads on PRO TRUMP FOX saying. He knows NOTHING about what really happened, and he won't do the research to find out either. He'd be forced to face reality, I don't see that happening ever, about much of anything. 

Thank you dave, his defense IS reprehensible. And frankly, that's a milder word than I WANT to use right now.