Advice about using a courier

I am going to be switching from AusPost to using couriers soon. I would love some advice from anyone using a courier service.

 

What do yo add to your ads to make sure (as much as possible) buyer know you are using a courier service?

 

Do you offer ( at an extra cost) AusPost for those unable or unwilling to use a courier service or just stop selling to them? If so do you allow posting to PO Boxes or will ths just causse problems?

 

Any pitfalls/problems you encountered use a courier rather than AusPost?

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At the risk of ... I dunno, something Smiley LOL ... I just wanted to point out that buyer issues are (by virtue) at the very least seller considerations, which is clear to see in the replies to this thread, both by buyers, and the sellers (see jens' posts, for example - which indicates couriers aren't always a complete solution, and that ATL is provided on courier packages for the customer's convenience and thus far at minimal risk).

 

I would actually be fairly close to you target customer - working from home in a metro area means couriers don't make me avoid a seller, but that doesn't mean they can't be a major PITA, particularly in cases where tracking says "out for delivery" at 9am, and then it's 4pm and I'm still waiting, not being able to go anywhere all day - it's a situational inconvenience, others may always be able to have at least one person present at the delivery address, and certainly places of business generally don't find having to make someone available at all times an issue (I do have horror stories as a recipient, way worse than anything I've experienced with Aus Post, and it's impossible for me to pick up from any depot if I miss a delivery - they're all miles away and I don't drive, so my refusal to provide ATL contributes to my inconvenience, but in the grand scheme of things, I'd rather my $500+ orders are delivered securely and remain insured until I definitely take possession of them). 

 

I think, though, the main thing I wanted to say is that it can be counter-productive to change your entire business operations based on one instance (or even a few). I definitely get the "I'm never letting that happen again" thing, but at the same time, if I did that every time I (as a seller) had a delivery issue, I wouldn't be here anymore, or if I was, I'd be sending everything by express post, with SOD and extra cover. Smiley Surprised

 

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The Couriers Please tracking number is on the label, so if you give it to the buyer they can track it via the company's website. I don't have the Fastway label to check whether the same is available but I assume so. Most couriers should be the same, re: tracking.

As 247newdeals pointed out re: Sendle, you can advise the courier to leave it at the door, so you can get there in your own time. Communication is key when buying and selling. I'd advise always checking before purchasing whether they use a courier and/or making sure that each parcel is safe dropped so you can have time to get to it. Why an eBay seller wouldn't do that I don't know. I have trust in eBay and PayPal with regards to tracking being a good form of proof of delivery.


Fastway couriers do have good tracking....at least my package was well tracked.   Any tracking is only as good as the driver who operates the scanner.  That applies to couriers as well as Australia Post.

 

Sendle is a reasonably new company so I have not had much to do with them.  However, they are a courier broker.....they do not deliver the parcels themselve but farm them out to other courier companies.  You actually don't know which courier may be entrusted with your parcels.

 

To be honest, why should a buyer have to check if a seller is using a courier?  If the seller states Australia Post that should be eht end of it....they use AP.

 

I don't think I have ever seen a seller state which courier service they use and I certainly would not ask them as I find couriers unsatisfactory for my needs anyway.  As the safe drop option is fairly new in the industry I think a lot of sellers don't even know that they can offer it.

But from ebay's point of view I doubt that the seller will be covered as the safe drop option absolves the sender of any responsibility.  If there is no signature then there is no proof of delivery.  To me this negates the very reason for using a courier....to get a signature as proof of delivery.

 

There are plenty of sellers getting upset because Australia Post wants to safe drop parcels requiring signatures.  If couriers are going to do that as well then where is the seller protection going to come from?

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At the risk of ... I dunno, something Smiley LOL ... I just wanted to point out that buyer issues are (by virtue) at the very least seller considerations, which is clear to see in the replies to this thread, both by buyers, and the sellers (see jens' posts, for example - which indicates couriers aren't always a complete solution, and that ATL is provided on courier packages for the customer's convenience and thus far at minimal risk).

 

I would actually be fairly close to you target customer - working from home in a metro area means couriers don't make me avoid a seller, but that doesn't mean they can't be a major PITA, particularly in cases where tracking says "out for delivery" at 9am, and then it's 4pm and I'm still waiting, not being able to go anywhere all day - it's a situational inconvenience, others may always be able to have at least one person present at the delivery address, and certainly places of business generally don't find having to make someone available at all times an issue (I do have horror stories as a recipient, way worse than anything I've experienced with Aus Post, and it's impossible for me to pick up from any depot if I miss a delivery - they're all miles away and I don't drive, so my refusal to provide ATL contributes to my inconvenience, but in the grand scheme of things, I'd rather my $500+ orders are delivered securely and remain insured until I definitely take possession of them). 

 

I think, though, the main thing I wanted to say is that it can be counter-productive to change your entire business operations based on one instance (or even a few). I definitely get the "I'm never letting that happen again" thing, but at the same time, if I did that every time I (as a seller) had a delivery issue, I wouldn't be here anymore, or if I was, I'd be sending everything by express post, with SOD and extra cover. Smiley Surprised

 


It is not just 1 instance in the last 3 weeks I have had 2 customers contact me telling me parcel have been left without being carded one I thought was trying it on and actually posted here asking for advice it turned out AP had shoved the parcel behind a bush and left. I had a parcel express post that was left on a settee outside my place and no card I know they did not knock as I was in all day.

The worst one is a buyer who AusPost just left the parcel uncarded and it has gone missing and AusPost really do not care and refuse to accept any responsibility. I could take the same attitude as AP and say well it is just the buyers problem I have proof of posting so I am covered but to me that is wrong so eventually I will refund/replace the buyer and I will be out of pocket.Why because they are my customer and I want to keep them happy shame AP does not see it the same.

 

I 100% hear you about waiting as I get up to 3 deliveries a week which I have to wait in for and as you say can not leave until they arrive. If I use courier I will have this every day and I will deal with that

 

Using couriers is something I have been considering since the start of the year, to be honest the only reason I still use AusPost is I am lazy and have not done anything about. This is not really about if I should use a courier but about the best way for both me and my buyers to do it. 

 

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

@thesoulyearns wrote:

The Couriers Please tracking number is on the label, so if you give it to the buyer they can track it via the company's website. I don't have the Fastway label to check whether the same is available but I assume so. Most couriers should be the same, re: tracking.

As 247newdeals pointed out re: Sendle, you can advise the courier to leave it at the door, so you can get there in your own time. Communication is key when buying and selling. I'd advise always checking before purchasing whether they use a courier and/or making sure that each parcel is safe dropped so you can have time to get to it. Why an eBay seller wouldn't do that I don't know. I have trust in eBay and PayPal with regards to tracking being a good form of proof of delivery.


Fastway couriers do have good tracking....at least my package was well tracked.   Any tracking is only as good as the driver who operates the scanner.  That applies to couriers as well as Australia Post.

 

Sendle is a reasonably new company so I have not had much to do with them.  However, they are a courier broker.....they do not deliver the parcels themselve but farm them out to other courier companies.  You actually don't know which courier may be entrusted with your parcels.

 

To be honest, why should a buyer have to check if a seller is using a courier?  If the seller states Australia Post that should be eht end of it....they use AP.

 

I don't think I have ever seen a seller state which courier service they use and I certainly would not ask them as I find couriers unsatisfactory for my needs anyway.  As the safe drop option is fairly new in the industry I think a lot of sellers don't even know that they can offer it.

But from ebay's point of view I doubt that the seller will be covered as the safe drop option absolves the sender of any responsibility.  If there is no signature then there is no proof of delivery.  To me this negates the very reason for using a courier....to get a signature as proof of delivery.

 

There are plenty of sellers getting upset because Australia Post wants to safe drop parcels requiring signatures.  If couriers are going to do that as well then where is the seller protection going to come from?


lyndal your comments really have nothing to do with anything I asked and TBH you are the last person I would seek advice from. You clearly have no idea about what seller requirements are but you will tell us how it is anyway. You have had your little rant and yes you hate the evil couriers even though they redilvered the parcel the next day (what most people would see as good service) so give it a break

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Hi everyone, the discussion is getting a little heated.  Please be sure to keep your communications civil.  Thanks!

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Within my listings I have 'parcels are usually sent by Aust Post'.  But I also say that for Country Vic and Interstate I can offer alternative methods of delivery.

 

So when I have a CV or Interstate buyer, I check AP cost and Pack and Send (online service which is SO MUCH cheaper!!).  I then message the buyer advising of the two costs and ask them to let me know which one they prefer.

 

All have opted for courier with ATL, and over the last 6 months that I've been offering the choice, there have been no problems for the buyers or myself.

 

I do think offering choice is the key.

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@5kazam wrote:

Within my listings I have 'parcels are usually sent by Aust Post'.  But I also say that for Country Vic and Interstate I can offer alternative methods of delivery.

 

So when I have a CV or Interstate buyer, I check AP cost and Pack and Send (online service which is SO MUCH cheaper!!).  I then message the buyer advising of the two costs and ask them to let me know which one they prefer.

 

All have opted for courier with ATL, and over the last 6 months that I've been offering the choice, there have been no problems for the buyers or myself.

 

I do think offering choice is the key.


Thank you that is really helpful I may be able to do something similar but the other way around. I offer free post so maybe offer free post with a courier and say they can have AP if they pay the extra cost and if someone falls outside the cheaper courier zones I could just wear the extra and send by AP.

 

 

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@247newdeals wrote:

 

Using couriers is something I have been considering since the start of the year, 

 


I know, it's just that many of the concerns being expressed in this thread are universal so will be shared by a percentage of your target customers, it's obviously impossible for me to guess what kind of percentage that would be since I'm not greatly familiar with your customer base 😄 , but you may be able to at least roughly estimate how many can either have packages (safely) delivered to a work address, or are constantly at home etc, . 

 

At the end of the day, it's entirely your choice and sometimes you do need to make decisions that won't suit some people, if whatever the benefits are will outweigh the drawbacks, but I do think it's important to indicate the service being used if there's little flexibility in choice, otherwise it could end up causing more problems than it solves (and, just in case, always provide the tracking number to the buyers, I don't mind not having one so much if it's an AP delivery, but if I don't get the number for a courier delivery, then I consider anything that goes wrong due to missed deliveries etc is at least partly the seller's fault 😛 ).  

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"At the end of the day, it's entirely your choice and sometimes you do need to make decisions that won't suit some people"

 

I guess that's the difference.  I don't make the decision, the buyer does - the one that suits them.  

 

 

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@digital*ghost wrote:

@247newdeals wrote:

 

Using couriers is something I have been considering since the start of the year, 

 


I know, it's just that many of the concerns being expressed in this thread are universal so will be shared by a percentage of your target customers, it's obviously impossible for me to guess what kind of percentage that would be since I'm not greatly familiar with your customer base 😄 , but you may be able to at least roughly estimate how many can either have packages (safely) delivered to a work address, or are constantly at home etc, . 

 

At the end of the day, it's entirely your choice and sometimes you do need to make decisions that won't suit some people, if whatever the benefits are will outweigh the drawbacks, but I do think it's important to indicate the service being used if there's little flexibility in choice, otherwise it could end up causing more problems than it solves (and, just in case, always provide the tracking number to the buyers, I don't mind not having one so much if it's an AP delivery, but if I don't get the number for a courier delivery, then I consider anything that goes wrong due to missed deliveries etc is at least partly the seller's fault 😛 ).  


Adding a tracking # is 100% a must IMHO and I must admit one of the reasons I am still using AP. It was what the post was meant to mainly be about how to change to using a courier and make sure I make it clear to potential buyers that I use them. I know there will be some extra work for me but I am willing to do that for what I believe will give the majority of my customers a better and cheaper service and if I am wrong it would be easy to change back to AusPost and just charge an extra $50-60 JK but changing does mean I can lower my prices more and staying with AP would require an increase in price. Which on Ebay is an important factor

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