BUY IT NOW

[stromper-gd]

I sold a boat,(buyer" bought it now")without ANY communication.

I get to talk to buyer who claims the right of inspection before payment. Dispute registered, relist the boat and am experiencing exactly the same situation.Am hoping it turns out alright this time!

People indicate "buy it now", find it hard to contact them, then try to claim they have the right to inspect before paying, MEANWHILE THE SALE IS IN LIMBO, no one can offer/offers are cut off. People think there is something wrong with your item.

I also indicated that sale is Pay immediately on "buy it now" and same after discussion and agreement on" offers" also.

No one wants to put themselves out to arrange inspection, THEN, buy or offer.

THEY want to freeze your sale, don't pay(breaking a contract) then suggest they have been ripped off by others,so I AM THE SAME.

Not this little black duck.

What do ebay sellers/buyers think?

[the3coopers]

How would you know that that was the credit card used to fund the PayPal payment?

Ask the scammer buyer if it was the same card. Obvious! :^O

[leader-of-the-band]

Ask the scammer buyer if it was the same card. Obvious! :^O

d'oh . . . . . why didn't I think of that?   LOL

[lyndal1838]

Oh no, the OP is now only accepting Bank Deposit as a payment option.  Here we go again.

[viewmont1071]

So.....Who thinks a scammer who had a bogus photo licence with their pic on it but the credit card owners name, and not one but 2 bogus/stolen credit cards (ie... the one they will pay me with and the other one that they will show me as per leader of the band.) in that same name would then transfer a registered boat and trailer into the credit card holders name holders name and then try and process a chargeback????

I wondered what MR Bogus would then do with the boat while the police were processing all that bogus information  and then poooof disappear after somehow accessing the money that the credit card company returned to the "real" account ..

ie. WHERE IS THE EARN FOR THE SCAMMER????

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE SCAMMER WILL DO WITH A REGISTERED BOAT AND TRAILER THAT HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED INTO THE SCAMMERS NAME....REBIRTH IT into another name transfer the rego from the credit card holders name into another name and then resell it  ????...for 7k??? 

alternatively

IF IT IS FRIENDLY FRAUD

IE. THE CARD HOLDER IS TRYING TO COMMIT FRAUD

HOW DO YOU THINK THE CARD HOLDER WILL THEN PROCEED WHEN THEY HAVE THE BOAT AND TRAILER TRANSFERRED INTO THEIR NAME BUT ARE ALSO CLAIMING THROUGH THEIR CREDIT CARD COMPANY THEY DID NOT RECIEVE IT???

LMAO................. watch out those knitting needles do not cause you real grief as you pontificate......

LEADER OF THE BAND..... what would be the implications for the buyer supplied the incorrect credit card details given that the photo licence will correlate identification???

[koalablue12]

http://community.ebay.com.au/question/Buying-Ebay/Like-Know-Bid/600151811?#msg604932149

[leader-of-the-band]

So.....Who thinks a scammer who had a bogus photo licence with their pic on it but the credit card owners name, and not one but 2 bogus/stolen credit cards (ie... the one they will pay me with and the other one that they will show me as per leader of the band.) in that same name would then transfer a registered boat and trailer into the credit card holders name holders name and then try and process a chargeback????

I wondered what MR Bogus would then do with the boat while the police were processing all that bogus information  and then poooof disappear after somehow accessing the money that the credit card company returned to the "real" account ..

ie. WHERE IS THE EARN FOR THE SCAMMER????

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE SCAMMER WILL DO WITH A REGISTERED BOAT AND TRAILER THAT HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED INTO THE SCAMMERS NAME....REBIRTH IT into another name transfer the rego from the credit card holders name into another name and then resell it  ????...for 7k??? 

alternatively

IF IT IS FRIENDLY FRAUD

IE. THE CARD HOLDER IS TRYING TO COMMIT FRAUD

HOW DO YOU THINK THE CARD HOLDER WILL THEN PROCEED WHEN THEY HAVE THE BOAT AND TRAILER TRANSFERRED INTO THEIR NAME BUT ARE ALSO CLAIMING THROUGH THEIR CREDIT CARD COMPANY THEY DID NOT RECIEVE IT???

LMAO................. watch out those knitting needles do not cause you real grief as you pontificate......

LEADER OF THE BAND..... what would be the implications for the buyer supplied the incorrect credit card details given that the photo licence will correlate identification???

[leader-of-the-band]

damned new quoting got me again . . . I really should preview before posting.

Previous post should have been:

LEADER OF THE BAND..... what would be the implications for the buyer supplied the incorrect credit card details given that the photo licence will correlate identification???

They buyer wouldn't give a toss as they could be long gone by the time the scam is exposed.  Fake ID's do exist.  Fake licences and credit cards exist.  Identity fraud exists.  A lot of identity thieves are good at what they do, and good at avoiding capture.

I saw on one of those TodayTonight/ACA shows recently where you can get fake licences and credit cards in Asia for cheap.  I think it was in Indonesia but I can't be absolutely sure of that.  I remember it because they took Pauline Hanson over there to berate them.

As for registration of the boat, what if the scammer doesn't fill in any paperwork on the day they pick up.  What if they are a very good scammer and convince the seller to only fill in his details as he is buying the boat for his sister's husband, and his brother-in-law will be the one transferring/registering the boat.  Remember, the scammer tells a good story.  He convinces the seller that the credit card used to fund the PayPal payment belongs to his brother-in-law, which is why he can't produce the card when picking up.  After all, it is only right that his brother should fund the PayPal payment isn't it?  But he offers to show all of his (fake) ID to the seller, including his own (fake) credit card.

Then, the scammer sells the boat a fortnight later telling the new unsuspecting buyer that he bought the boat on behalf of his brother and now his brother has changed his mind so he is selling it at a good price to get some of his money back (his brother got a job in a central Qld mine and doesn't need a boat now).  He has paperwork to enable transfer of registration, so the new buyer thinks everything is okay.  Remember, the scammer can tell a good and convincing story.  They tell the new buyer that he hasn't had the boat long enough to get around to transferring the boat into their name, and it would have cost money in stamp duty.

Look, I know this storyline is long winded, far-fetched and a bit of fantasy, but scammers are good at making that stuff real for unsuspecting sellers and buyers.  The OP seems to me that he is 'old school', i.e. 'a handshake is as good as a contract' kind of guy . . . . . the type that can easily be scammed by 'new school' scammers in the 21st century.

[the3coopers]

There is little point trying to derail the discussion with irrelevant stuff about registration forms and verification of the collector of the item.

This is not about proving who took the boat. That is OBVIOUS - because the seller is the one who gets the info about the new owner's name. They can sight a licence, or whatever.

This discussion is about CREDIT CARD FRAUD. The processing of a chargeback at some time in the future for "unauthorised use of a credit card". And the massive hassle that then happens to try and get the money back (if at all).

Remember - if this scam occurs, you lose the item, you lose the money, and even if you file a Police Report you still don't get either item or $$ back. You'd have to persue the "buyer" in small claims court in an attempt to get the $$... and even so, what if they don't have the money to give you? Pay by installments?

There is no automatic refund for "victims of crimes". If a robber breaks into your house and steals $20,000 worth of stuff, it is totally irrelevant whether you can identify them or even the cops catch them or not, you still don't get the stuff back and the police certainly don't give you a cheque to the value of the loss..

What we are discussing here is "good practice", not absolutes. The chances of this scam occurring is small, but definitely not zero. Since there is absolutely ZERO mandatory reason to expose yourself to this risk, surely it's wise to recommend that people don't do so?

[koalablue12]

I think the biggest problem now may be 'seller integrity' as perceived by any potential buyers (if thislast sale does not proceed) - if you hadn't been following this on here (which is likely given only 3% come to the boards) when you look at the sellers item, the same boat will appear to have been sold 3 X - could be off putting to someone who does not know the history - screams scam by seller - if you look at it that way.