Does throttling happen to all sellers at some point and does it ever vanish once it does arrive?

Just a quick question....Is it inevitable for throttling to happen to all?

If the lights are off in your store does it bounce back ever? 

Thanks in advance 🙂

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Does throttling happen to all sellers at some point and does it ever vanish once it does arrive?

The short answer is that ebay dont admit to throttling and no-one really knows for sure if, why or how it works. I suspect there are several different things going on and they probably affect different sellers in different ways.

 

I dont believe all sellers are affected by throttling. We have a non store account which does not really seem to be affected by anything. If we list good items, they sell for good prices. If we list junk it often does not get any interest at all.

 

Our stores seem to sell a very similar amount each month. There have been suggestions that some sellers have secret selling limits placed on their account and many sellers, particularly on the U.S boards report VERY consistent sales, similar to those that affect my stores. It does not matter what these sellers do, they cant seem to break through a glass ceiling and increase sales above a certain limit.

 

Then there is the lights on lights off effect often reffered to as throttling. This may be a mechanism to share sales in a catagory between all sellers. Once you have sold a few things, your visibility is reduced to allow others to sell items. The suggestion being that ebay has more sellers than buyers, so ebay shares the sales around to keep everyone on board. The more sales in the catagory in general, means the more sales to share between sellers in that catagory. If this is correct, the sellers concerned may not necessarily also have secret selling limits in place. the only limit being total sales within the catagory.

 

As mentioned ebay do not tell sellers how their internal systems are programmed, so any suggestions of throttling and its affects are purely based on sellers experiences, backed by discussion on various forums and experiments and records kept by sellers.

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My understanding is most stores experience throttlling...........unless you're Chinese. Then you're always up the top and visible to the world at all times. I have contemplated opening a store a few times, but I still don't know if it would be worth it.

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The suggestion being that ebay has more sellers than buyers,


interesting... that explains a few things 🙂 thanks!

 

Is there a large store owner or a powerseller out there that has been trading for a couple of years that is not affected?

Is there a large store owner or a powerseller out there that has been through a period where they cant break through the glass ceiling but then did break through? (or does everyone give up?)

 

Would love to hear from you just to confirm or deny theories etc 🙂

Thanks

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DISCLAIMER - The following is all my best guesses. Ebay do not comment on how their systems are structured and so no-one, including me really knows.

 

There are not that many stores that claim to be affected by secret selling limits on the Australian boards. You see it mentioned from time to time on the power sellers board, but rarely on the open selling boards. This would suggest that the secret limits apply more to stores with slightly larger turn-overs, but that may not be the only thing in play. I suspect the secret limits may also be based on the size of the store within a catagory.

 

I suspect I have a secret selling limit on my stores. A number of years ago my main store would have been considered a large ebay business but over the past few years it has shrunk to the point that it is very small beer on the ebay landscape. Many other large brand name businesses have come along that have raced past mine and would make my ebay business look like a bug on their windshield. Having said that it is still the second largest in its catagory by listing numbers and sales. So although the turnover is now very small, it is still a main niche catagory player hence my theory that secret limits are catagory based.

 

The throttling thing appears to be slightly different. This appears to be sharing the remaining sales within a catagory amongst the sellers within that catagory. If the catagory has a big week, the sellers in that catagory have good sales. If the catagory does not do well, the sellers within that catagory have very few sales.

 

I suspect it is even more complicated. My guess is that sellers are also graded into catagories.

 

* The highest ranked sellers probably have no sales limits and most of the normal ebay rules are only guides for them. This is the brand name stores and big Chinese sellers. They have access to prime visibility.

 

* There would a couple more grades here, but I have no idea what they would be

 

* Under these you would have the main players in small niche catagories. These would have selling limits and would regularly meet these sales limits, regardless of sales within the catagory.

 

* next comes the throttled accounts. No secret selling limits and no gauranteed sales, but are given a share of the remaining catagory sales using throttling to control visibility and sales.

 

* last comes the sellers with unpopular items or poor track record. They get the scraps left behind and ebay would prefer they sell somewhere else.

 

Cassini also ranks sellers based on recent immpressions and sell through rate. Then more you sell, the higher your visibility and so the more you sell. Conversly, the less you sell, the lower your visibility and so the less you sell.

 

Ebay sellers can get trapped in a cycle of low sales and low visibility which is a downward spiral to oblivian. It takes a major effort of new listings of popular items to break this cycle and get things back on track.

 

In answer to another of your questions, I suspect if you have a secret selling limit on your account it is very difficult to break through that limit. I have tried in the past, but have now given up and just accept that I can make regular worthwhile sales on the site. I,m grateful that my sales are consistent and reliable as I know many sellers are really struggling.

 

In closing I would again state that all of the above is just theories and conjecture. No-one really knows.

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I have 25 bids on 21 items at the moment (all finishing within the next 7 days)....this hasn't happened for ages. So my lights are ON....but when they finish, it will be Nov & I suspect my lights will be OFF. This is the way it seems to go....and it will be others' turns

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@twyngwyn wrote:

I have 25 bids on 21 items at the moment (all finishing within the next 7 days)....this hasn't happened for ages. So my lights are ON....but when they finish, it will be Nov & I suspect my lights will be OFF. This is the way it seems to go....and it will be others' turns


Make that hay whilst the sun is shining!

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@chameleon54 wrote:

DISCLAIMER - The following is all my best guesses. Ebay do not comment on how their systems are structured and so no-one, including me really knows.

 

There are not that many stores that claim to be affected by secret selling limits on the Australian boards. You see it mentioned from time to time on the power sellers board, but rarely on the open selling boards. This would suggest that the secret limits apply more to stores with slightly larger turn-overs, but that may not be the only thing in play. I suspect the secret limits may also be based on the size of the store within a catagory.

 

I suspect I have a secret selling limit on my stores. A number of years ago my main store would have been considered a large ebay business but over the past few years it has shrunk to the point that it is very small beer on the ebay landscape. Many other large brand name businesses have come along that have raced past mine and would make my ebay business look like a bug on their windshield. Having said that it is still the second largest in its catagory by listing numbers and sales. So although the turnover is now very small, it is still a main niche catagory player hence my theory that secret limits are catagory based.

 

The throttling thing appears to be slightly different. This appears to be sharing the remaining sales within a catagory amongst the sellers within that catagory. If the catagory has a big week, the sellers in that catagory have good sales. If the catagory does not do well, the sellers within that catagory have very few sales.

 

I suspect it is even more complicated. My guess is that sellers are also graded into catagories.

 

* The highest ranked sellers probably have no sales limits and most of the normal ebay rules are only guides for them. This is the brand name stores and big Chinese sellers. They have access to prime visibility.

 

* There would a couple more grades here, but I have no idea what they would be

 

* Under these you would have the main players in small niche catagories. These would have selling limits and would regularly meet these sales limits, regardless of sales within the catagory.

 

* next comes the throttled accounts. No secret selling limits and no gauranteed sales, but are given a share of the remaining catagory sales using throttling to control visibility and sales.

 

* last comes the sellers with unpopular items or poor track record. They get the scraps left behind and ebay would prefer they sell somewhere else.

 

Cassini also ranks sellers based on recent immpressions and sell through rate. Then more you sell, the higher your visibility and so the more you sell. Conversly, the less you sell, the lower your visibility and so the less you sell.

 

Ebay sellers can get trapped in a cycle of low sales and low visibility which is a downward spiral to oblivian. It takes a major effort of new listings of popular items to break this cycle and get things back on track.

 

In answer to another of your questions, I suspect if you have a secret selling limit on your account it is very difficult to break through that limit. I have tried in the past, but have now given up and just accept that I can make regular worthwhile sales on the site. I,m grateful that my sales are consistent and reliable as I know many sellers are really struggling.

 

In closing I would again state that all of the above is just theories and conjecture. No-one really knows.


Very well written and bang on in regards to me. Very helpful as always!

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I have read quite a lot about this throttling business - and I just can't figure out how it's done!

I follow so many sellers, mainly smaller ones, I make a point of always trying to buy things from those who appear to need the sales, to help out a bit.

I can always see all their items - and if I can, I can assume so can everyone else - and if we can see them, we can buy them, right?

 

So those who think they are being supressed somehow, and their sales limited, no matter how many things they list, their sale amounts always seem to be even and they can't break through the glass ceilling - mind boggles as to how it's actually done if everything is always visible and can be bought?

 

I can only see that those that I follow and look at almost daily DO have periods of days and days of not selling anything, but it's still all there for anyone to see and buy.

So, if something is stopping customers from purchasing, even though the goods are in plain sight - how is that done?

It almost defies logic! It's almost like we can't believe our own eyes.

I could quite easily understand if Ebay rorates sellers so that everyone gets a turn, but that woud surely require for stuff NOT to be visible for periods of time = no sales.

Except that is not happening.

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