Item Lost in the Post. Do I refund buyer?

onyxbutterfly2912
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Hi all,  My buyer is intimating that I never posted her item.  Because it was sent Standard Postage, I can't even give her a tracking number. What do others do in these cases?  It has happened to me several times now and one even went into dispute via Paypal.  Long and short of it I had to refund her money and I was out of pocket for postage for two items and the two items  themselves worth approx $100.


 


Although you can put into your listing a note to say you are not responsible for Australia Post losing something, the buyer does not really care.  They just want their item or their money.


 


All thoughts would be appreciated.


Thanks a lot

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I would never send something worth $100 by ordinary post.


 


If I had it at $100 BIN, then the extra $1 for C&S signature would be built into the price. If I had an auction that went that high and I didn't anticipate getting that much, I would pay the extra $1 from the windfall profits. And if it went to $110, I would pay for registration and extra insurance from THOSE windfall profits.


 


You can't blame the buyer for choosing not to pay more than they have to. If it's worth that much, don't give them the choice, unless it's the auction scenario referred to above.

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I agree with everyone here. For an item worth $100 I would only post registered mail.


 


Items can be delayed in the mail, however given that the buyer is intimating that you never posted it, I doubt it will "turn up" no matter how long you wait.


 


If they advised you it hadn't arrived as yet, there may be some chance of it arriving.

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Contrary to popular eBay/PayPal myth, you do not need to sent something registered or click and send to prove postage.


 


If you sent the item by parcel post (in a box) you will have been provided with a dated receipt proving you sent something to the suburb in which the buyer resides.


 


If you sent it by red satchel, when you handed it over the counter, it would have been scanned and you would have been provided with a dated receipt confirming lodgement.  This, coupled with on-line information provided Aust post that the item was received at the mail centre which services the buyer suburb proves it was sent to the suburb in which the buyer resides.


 


In both instances PayPal Policy states postage has been proved.  Therefore, if you still have the necessary paperwork, call PayPal, tell them you dispute their earlier decision, and if the money previously deducted from your account are not returned to within 7 days you will lodge a complaint with the Financial Ombudsman Service.    


g� s �_��� arly impose a legislative obligation on the seller to assist the buyer to access any entitlements to compensation they, the buyer, may have, and if they don’t and if “goods are lost or damaged in course of transit, the buyer may decline to treat the delivery to the carrier as a delivery to himself or may hold the seller responsible in damages”.


 


 


 So this is how deemed delivery works in conjunction with the Aust Post Discretional Claims Process.


 


The Aust Post policy requires the seller lodge the claim for no other reason than it easiest for them (Aust Post) to administration the process if the person who has the documentation lodges it, and  SoGA Act places a clear obligation on the seller to do exactly that.


 


Once the claim has been lodged the seller can do one of two things.  They can, get the buyer to provide them with a stat dec stating the item has not been received as well as assigning to the seller their rights to the compensation.  The seller and then reimburse buyer out of their own pocket, which of course means, if the claim is rejected, any resultant dispute is between the seller and Aust Post.


 


In the alternative the seller can lodge the claim and then tell Australia Post, if the claim is accepted, to send the money to the buyer, which of course means, if it’s rejected, any dispute is between the buyer and Aust Post.


 


However what they can’t do is get the compensation and not pass it onto the buyer, because if they did, this action would fall within the definition of fraud.


 


Oh and just for completeness sake which option do I recommend.  If you are a profession seller and expect to make a living from selling then it is up to you, to within reason, satisfy the needs of your customers.


 


So this is what used to I do for items sent regular post.  (1) Attach a “Do Not Safe Drop Sticker (DNSD)”.  (2) If the buyer says it wasn’t received, get them to check with their local post office to see if it’s there.  (3) If they come back and say it’s isn’t, get them to provide a stat dec and assign their rights to any compensation me. (4) I then lodge the claim and reimburse the buyer.


 


Now here’s the important bit.  If Aust post reject the claim on the basis that their records show the item has been delivered (5) remind them that the item was covered by a “DNSD” sticker therefore it had to be handed over (not safe dropped) and provide them with a copy of the sat dec which states it wasn’t receive.


 


From this point onwards the argument is, Aust Post policy stipulated the item cannot be safe dropped.  Therefore if no one was home the item had to be carded and returned to the Post Office (PO) for collection. 


 


They have a stat dec from the intended recipient stating it wasn’t received, nor was a card found on the premises (under the door, in the letter box etc), nor was it available for collection from the local Post Office. 


 


Therefore there are now only two possible contenders.  Either it was delivered to wrong address or it delivered to the correct address but, contrary to instructions ‘safe dropped’, and it matters not which of the two it was, because either proves loss of goods on account of carrier negligence.  So pay up or I’ll file a dispute with ombudsman. 


 


As for what I do if the buyer fails to do their bit.  Lodge the claim.  Tell Aust Post to give the money to the buyer.  As such, the deemed delivery provisions have been satisfied.  And is the claim is rejected it’s the buyer’s problem not mine.     

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Sorry should read


 


Contrary to popular eBay/PayPal myth, you do not need to sent something registered or click and send to prove postage.


 


If you sent the item by parcel post (in a box) you will have been provided with a dated receipt proving you sent something to the suburb in which the buyer resides.


 


If you sent it by red satchel, when you handed it over the counter, it would have been scanned and you would have been provided with a dated receipt confirming lodgement.  This, coupled with on-line information provided Aust post that the item was received at the mail centre which services the buyer suburb proves it was sent to the suburb in which the buyer resides.


 


In both instances PayPal Policy states postage has been proved.  Therefore, if you still have the necessary paperwork, call PayPal, tell them you dispute their earlier decision, and if the money previously deducted from your account are not returned to within 7 days you will lodge a complaint with the Financial Ombudsman Service.    

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 This, coupled with on-line information provided Aust post that the item was received at the mail centre which services the buyer suburb proves it was sent to the suburb in which the buyer resides.


 


That is wrong TB & you should know it.Our local DC covers that many suburbs it isn't funny & all with different postcodes.

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If it has happened to you before why didn't you do something to protect yourself from it happening again?


 


Not only does click & send give you Paypal seller protection it is actually cheaper than posting in red satchels, $6.35 including the price of the satchel.


 


Look at it from the buyer's point of view, they have not received their parcel and the only evidence you can produce is that you posted something to the same suburb on a particular date and that it made it as far as a delivery centre which covers several nearby suburbs.


 


Wouldn't you expect a refund?


 


 

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 This, coupled with on-line information provided Aust post that the item was received at the mail centre which services the buyer suburb proves it was sent to the suburb in which the buyer resides.


 


That is wrong TB & you should know it.Our local DC covers that many suburbs it isn't funny & all with different postcodes.



 


Just inserting my post code covers 10 suburbs & in 2006,just 4 of those suburbs had just over 60 THOUSAND households.AND there is only ONE delivery centre. 

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onyxbutterfly2912
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Hi,  Thanks for your reply.  No, I discovered Registered Post is useless.  Unless you pay for signature on deliery, you still do not know where it has been delivered.  AP does not keep the address where it was dropped.

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onyxbutterfly2912
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No need to be rude!

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onyxbutterfly2912
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Funniy enough, I would not expect a refund.  In most cases I am careful about where I buy my stuff and read feedback.  I know AP of yore so if something goes missing, unless the seller specifically states they will resend or refund, I do not expect anything back.  I have waited for over a month sometimes for something to be delivered within Australia and yet most things arrive from overseas within 1 week or 10 days.  CVae in point - my husband was sent a voucher by Express Post  from his Sydney office to here in Brisbane before Christmas.  Has not arrived to this day. Go figure


 


 

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