on 20-04-2016 09:39 AM
on 20-04-2016 02:23 PM
Yeah Audio, I think that is a partial problem, but once again items haven't been returned if given to wrong address. Remember 1-1000 AP lost, even if allowing for errors wrong letterboxes etc say 1-100. But I'm talking 1-15
on 20-04-2016 02:37 PM
on 20-04-2016 02:39 PM
they are with all the single socks and thongs that go missing.
on 20-04-2016 03:27 PM
@davidc4430 wrote:they are with all the single socks and thongs that go missing.
And don't forget the teaspoons 🙂
on 20-04-2016 03:30 PM
try sending the following message I found on this forum a while back
on 20-04-2016 04:52 PM
I'm with clarry.
From memory, I've only ever had 2 INRs and 1 RTS (not counting the odd ones I have forgotten to address) out of 250+ pa. The last INR was in May 2014, so nothing in the last 2 years.
on 20-04-2016 07:02 PM
I've had 2 not received in 5 years out of over 1,000 items. Both were untracked large letter of low value. They both had pretty high feedback and nothing to indicate they were scammers, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt. Both have since bought several more times and received their items no problems, so I think mine were genuine. Neither were returned to me.
If you have a Facebook account I would be asking publicly on the AP Facebook page about what happens to undelivered or lost mail. I don't know of anyone who has had lost mail returned, so what happens to it?
I sent a large letter item yesterday and my gut was telling me to send it registered. After I packed it, it fitted through the 20mm slot, but didn't fall through and didn't want them to hit me up for parcel rate at the PO, so just popped it in the box. They've tried that in the past when it fitted through but didn't drop through the slot.
on 20-04-2016 07:08 PM
Australia post return lost mail to return address if labelled, it may take a few weeks, that's there procedure.
20-04-2016 07:21 PM - edited 20-04-2016 07:23 PM
@clarry100 wrote:From the experimentation I decribed to you in the PM we think about 1 in 1,000 is a pretty accurate real loss rate for large letters in AU.
Anything significantly above that rate and I believe scammers are at work in claiming INR.
Also we have never had any AU Post item returned to us. So what happens to the ones that are said to be lost?
Must be a pretty big store room somewhere that is the dead letter office.
Would love to see that for myself.
I've had a few returned to me - some completely inexplicably, some marked "incomplete address" (the one with CR and Aus Post couldn't work out what it stood for). Occasionally items are just delivered really (really) late, and even more occasionally 😄 I stuff up. Perhaps interestingly, I have far fewer instances of INR with my international customers, at a rate of around 1:3, which either says something about Australia Post, Australian honesty, or both
I have had similar results to clarry with the same experiment, but sometimes I think there must be some kind of new story, blog post, You-Tube video.... something, that tempts people, because I can go for weeks and occasionally months, with no INR request / messages, then a sudden spate. In the last week alone I've had 5 after about 2 months with 0.
Of those 5, I believe 1 or 2 (at the very best) are genuine, while one is a proven "mistake" (a nicer word for lie). After doing this for a few years, you learn what the most common "tells" in messages and particular approaches are (I won't outline these in the public forum of course, because I don't want to provide a list of things for scammers to avoid and lessen the chances of raising suspicion. On the one hand, it gives me serious buyer-fatigue-syndrome sometimes and makes it difficult to be at my best when a genuine issue arises on the other, having had to deal with it too many times has given me the experience I needed to deal with certain issues a little more authoratively, which seems to have improved how often the INR message turns out to be a false alarm).
on 20-04-2016 07:33 PM
I think you're being scammed but at the same time, I think that 1:1000 rate might be a bit hopeful on the part of Aust Post.
My son's wedding invites were sent out a couple of months back, and 2 out of about 65 never arrived and were never returned.
As they had fancy return address labels on them, I can only assume they may have been placed in the wrong letter boxes and whoever got them just didn't bother to repost, which is pretty poor form in my opinion as they also had a sticker saying 'invitation'.
1: 15 is very suss & I'd say you only have a few options.
-send with tracking, which will bump up the price but you will be covered
-add an extra $1 or $1.50 as someone suggested, to cover the losses. It will mean you aren't quite as competitive but you would still be in the range.
-add the comments to a message as suggested by others, which might put the wind up a few would be scammers before they try it on.
If the scamming is as bad as this for all small items, then you won't be the only seller bumping up your prices, so don't worry.
I'd try tactics 2 & 3 for a while, see how it goes and if things don't improve, move to #1.